Why are nurses so angry? - page 5

Reading the forum in the past few months, a common thread I have seen is the anger. It does not seem to matter what the discussion is about or the level of nurses discussing it,anger is a common... Read More

  1. by   cooblu
    Quote from mercyteapot
    Every time someone asks anything about why so many nurses are this or that, I ask if that person believes people in other professions don't share the same frustration. Do you really think that they are discontented retail workers, restaurant workers, accountants, teachers, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers out there? I'm sure there are. It just so happens that this is a nursing forum, so we don't hear from those other people here.
    i agree, we're not alone. want to experience a good sample of the crosssection of our population go to your local walmart on any given weekend to experience aggression, frustration, rudeness...or call a "customer service" of any company at any tme, drive at times of high traffic volumn. but us (nurses) we are special. we on one hand are fundamentally caring, but on the other...hypocritic...maybe. we are obligated to put a good face on (hopefully true care) for those entrusted to us. although we too are human and these forums are the ideal place to indulge in our "anger" and to find some empathy. getting rich--ha--just makin' a livin'.
  2. by   gina gina
    Beautiful Question.the Reason Y R Many.we Do The Best We Can.under Appreciated,ungrateful Family Members With Guilt We Deal With.,nasty Attitudes,ego Tripping Colleagues,back Stabbers,lazy Employees,short Staffed.etc I Can Go On And On But It Would Be An All Day Thing.
  3. by   mistydave
    I agree with you poster, but I think it isn't nurses just angry, I think it is humans. I haven't worked in a decade, went to nursing school. I am probably the 3rd oldest person in my class. I am 33, and most are younger than I. I had no idea how unhappy most people are, 95% of the class if extremely rude to their classmates, teachers, and have no respect at all. It is quite amazing the ethics and morals that are out there. I was really surprised. The social aspects of the people around me is harder to deal with than nursing school itself, and we all know nursing school is very hard. I just figure I have to get used to it, it prob won't be any better in the actual field. But think positive, you can be one of the nurses or humans that have a good outlook on life, you can respect others and ect. I know everyone has their bad days, I have had way more than I want to admit being in nursing school. But many people seem as if they just are there to make life difficult for everyone else.

    My spouse has just as many complaints about his job.
  4. by   pagandeva2000
    I guess that I can say that we are angry because we care about our patients, and with the bureauracy and manipulation from managers and regulatory agencies really do not allow us to do our jobs the way that we are trained. We are taught to care, empathsize, advocate and safely care for the patients we serve. And, we are not getting support from the facilities that we work. High nurse to patient ratios, faulty equipment, not enough supplies, too much paperwork, nasty co-workers and (understandably, sometimes) demanding patients and family members can easily piss a person off.

    Chasing doctors to correct faulty orders, arguing with the pharmacy, getting nursing assistants (who are also burned out to the bare bone) as well as always trying to cover our rear ends makes nursing a very hard profession. I know it may be easy to say work elsewhere, but after awhile, this is all that most of us know and have no time and energy to embark on another career.

    I know that I invested a great deal of money for continuing education courses, my own blood pressure kit because the automatic ones do not work, stethoscope, update my PDA to have the most current information on medications, disease entities and diagnostic procedures was not appreciated. I was told once that to use my own pressure kit was not appropriate because it was not approved by Bio-Med, but I also know that Bio-Med only places stickers on their equipment because they have no time to really service them properly. But, I have to be safe, and the only way I can assure that I am administering meds safely is to do it myself and have my own stuff. No update teaching material, so, I am downloading information from my home computer and making copies at work.

    With all of the aggreviation I encounter, I do think I have the right to have great benefits, vacation and a staff education department who I do not have to beg in order to teach me how to use their equipment, update me on new practices, policy and procedure. At least here, we can do so without worrying too much about being targeted at our jobs by other vulture nurses and our supervisors who some aim to make our lives miserable.
  5. by   scooterRN52
    Quote from underpaidrn
    You stated a very valid reason why there are a lot of angry nurses. You said we should be protected by our employers. Right there is the basic root of the anger. We are NOT protected by our employers. Most of the time, they will hang you out to dry if there is a problem, perceived or real. It's all about the money for the employers. They don't care about their staff, they can all be replaced with the latest batch of new nurses. It's not the new nurses fault, they come into this with the notion of making a difference and really loving what they do. The disillusionment comes later when they realize that they are cannon fodder and can be replaced with the next batch of newbies. Perhaps if employers took a good, long hard look at what nurses deal with on a daily basis, maybe they would change their position and truly protect their employees. You've been a nurse for a long time, like me. We've seen the changes that have occurred and not for the better. How we can make changes is unknown to me. Unless every single nurse in the entire country stood up at one time and said enough is enough, nothing will change.
    I have to agree with you, employers are more worried about making money,than worrying about staff. It is more like customer service, even in the hospital where Iwork. They now want to let families visit anyiime all thru the night without a metal detector, that says they don't care about us!!
    Last edit by scooterRN52 on Nov 26, '07
  6. by   scooterRN52
    Quote from pagandeva2000
    I guess that I can say that we are angry because we care about our patients, and with the bureauracy and manipulation from managers and regulatory agencies really do not allow us to do our jobs the way that we are trained. We are taught to care, empathsize, advocate and safely care for the patients we serve. And, we are not getting support from the facilities that we work. High nurse to patient ratios, faulty equipment, not enough supplies, too much paperwork, nasty co-workers and (understandably, sometimes) demanding patients and family members can easily piss a person off.

    Chasing doctors to correct faulty orders, arguing with the pharmacy, getting nursing assistants (who are also burned out to the bare bone) as well as always trying to cover our rear ends makes nursing a very hard profession. I know it may be easy to say work elsewhere, but after awhile, this is all that most of us know and have no time and energy to embark on another career.

    I know that I invested a great deal of money for continuing education courses, my own blood pressure kit because the automatic ones do not work, stethoscope, update my PDA to have the most current information on medications, disease entities and diagnostic procedures was not appreciated. I was told once that to use my own pressure kit was not appropriate because it was not approved by Bio-Med, but I also know that Bio-Med only places stickers on their equipment because they have no time to really service them properly. But, I have to be safe, and the only way I can assure that I am administering meds safely is to do it myself and have my own stuff. No update teaching material, so, I am downloading information from my home computer and making copies at work.

    With all of the aggreviation I encounter, I do think I have the right to have great benefits, vacation and a staff education department who I do not have to beg in order to teach me how to use their equipment, update me on new practices, policy and procedure. At least here, we can do so without worrying too much about being targeted at our jobs by other vulture nurses and our supervisors who some aim to make our lives miserable.

    Ditto!!!!:trout:
  7. by   suextwo
    i just have to say thank you in an odd sort of way to all the angry nurses out there - for whatever reason, whoever is at fault, the stress is sometimes palpitable. so my thank you is because when i was hospitalized for a week last year in CCU i saw as a PATIENT the affects that moods have on the patient - me! one nurse argued with me about my meds. i was right. she was wrong. she wouldn't check the chart. a patient in CCU should not have to even worry about such a thing. Then on the other end of the spectrum is the nurse who laughed with me about puking all over the transport guy who farted in the elevator - it WAS funny. I so appreciated her when i got well i bought her a gift certificate. that nurse didn't make me feel GUILTY for being sick!!! so just try to put yourself in your patient's shoes - you may be there someday!
  8. by   eamon66
    Personally, I do think that when ppl post their feelings/advice thru internet forums these are often misinterpretted and come across as being negative and hurtful to other ppl. Maybe its the way we need to emphasise a point thru writing. I see it on other forums as well....even posted comments and then afterwards thot "god that was a bit harsh".
  9. by   pagandeva2000
    I know what you mean about the mood and how it is interpeted by the patients. I try my best, but, know that occasionally, I fail in spite of my best efforts. Again, sometimes, it is due to the other pressures we are receiving. Sometimes, I am afraid of patients with requests because I may have to jump over some serious hoops to even try to obtain what they need. Sometimes, unfortunately, the response we may give hinges on who is on duty. If there is an agreeable, patient centered attending, nursing supervisor or assistant, it makes the work easier. If it is not, then, watch out...
  10. by   teeituptom
    Quote from scooterRN52
    I have to agree with you, employers are more worried about making money,than worrying about staff. It is more like customer service, even in the hospital where Iwork. They now want to let families visit anyiime all thru the night without a metal detector, that says they don't care about us!!
    They should be allowed to visit all night also. Just because their loved ones are in there, doesnt mean they get better when the sun drops. And Im not a fan of metal detectors.
  11. by   teeituptom
    Quote from pagandeva2000
    I know what you mean about the mood and how it is interpeted by the patients. I try my best, but, know that occasionally, I fail in spite of my best efforts. Again, sometimes, it is due to the other pressures we are receiving. Sometimes, I am afraid of patients with requests because I may have to jump over some serious hoops to even try to obtain what they need. Sometimes, unfortunately, the response we may give hinges on who is on duty. If there is an agreeable, patient centered attending, nursing supervisor or assistant, it makes the work easier. If it is not, then, watch out...
    Its also easier when you love waht you do. Ive loved it for a long long time now.
  12. by   TonyFl
    good post
  13. by   GiGiOm
    I just saw this thread. I've noticed I'm not as patient as I used to be. The pace has gotten so hectic that most nights we really do not stop. I feel pulled in fifty different directions most of the time. The paperwork has gotten so redundant and takes almost more time than the patient care does. Add to that the fact that our computers go down, our hand-helds that we have to use to give meds go down at the drop of a hat....well, I'm sure you get the picture. People have nasty attitudes these days, too. I've had visitors get literally up in my face about things that I did not even do because they were mad at the nurse on the previous shift. Also, I DO NOT want to work overtime. Three 12-hour shifts is PLENTY and I do not need or want the extra money bad enough to do four shifts in a row. I'm tired! I used to love nursing. Now I don't even want to get out of bed in on my days off. I just really don't want any human interaction at all. I'm not angry these days. I'm sad. Nothing is going to change in Mississippi. There won't be a union here. People get fired for even saying the word. I guess I should be grateful that I have job with livable working conditions. I'm just tired and trapped. I can't see a way out and it makes me exhausted. Why go somewhere else? I've done all that. It's the same old crap anywhere else you go.

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