Why are nurses so angry? - page 3

Reading the forum in the past few months, a common thread I have seen is the anger. It does not seem to matter what the discussion is about or the level of nurses discussing it,anger is a common... Read More

  1. by   TheCommuter
    Quote from cmo421
    It is not a profession one should enter to get rich, have great hours,vacations or benifits. It is one that is entered to care for others, teach and mentor. We have come such a long,long way in the past few decades, and we have far to go.
    While I did not enter nursing for the money, I certainly expect to be paid for all of the services that I render to my patients. To put it to you as bluntly as possible, my lifestyle would suffer hideously if I shed my blood, sweat, and tears at the workplace on a regular basis for free.

    In my opinion, there's absolutely nothing wrong with desiring a fair pay rate for all that we do. My body is fatigued and my mind is tiresome after the grueling 16 hour shifts that I work. While caring and compassion should be placed above all else, I'll readily admit that the money needs to be competitive in order for me to continue doing this. Nurses need to stop believing that money is inconsequential.
  2. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from Tweety
    There's a lot of frustration in our profession for many reasons, it's easy to get a feel for what that is by this bulletine board, but I disagree that there's "constant anger". I agree that if someone is constantly angry then it's time to find another job.

    Most of us are trudging along, expressing our anger and frustrations here where it's safe to do so anonymously (and often more strongly than we would in real life), but are getting it off our chest, dealing, but not in constant anger. We can't sugar coat it, we need an outlet.
    My thoughts exactly.
    This definitely applies to me.
  3. by   Hellllllo Nurse
    Quote from smithbc1
    there are many reasons nurses are have anger. years of suppression, abuse by management, low wages and poor benefits. nurses have been and are currently treated like slaves in some jobs they serve. not all nurses have a glorious position. most nurses realize the expectations we had when we first entered the nursing field, to make the difference we so desired, is a cruel joke. the time and energy we put into the job does not help our circumstances in some cases we harm ourselves. the more we work, the more we do, the more that's expected of us. there is no glory at the end of the road, there is not retirement plan unless it is self paid, and there is nothing there for us at the end of our long hard journey except a tired frail body. issues like this was not discussed or taught in the nursing school when i attended.

    after all the hard work of studying, passing school, the money involved in paying for tuition, (some of us did not have benefit of tuition assistance, but paid full everything) there is still a big fat nothing. our bodies and brain wears out from frustration and defeat. we burn out, and no one cares. our nursing associations have been another cruel a joke. they support the hospital based issues, not the poor tired working nurse person.

    we compare ourselves to other professions, and realize just how screwed we have been. (my drop out of high school child (later - ged) makes more money, gets faster promotions, and has more benefits than i do, and she doesn't work hard at all. our local garbage man (bless his heart) makes more money at $32.00 per hr., compared to my $24.09 per hour after my 35+ years. he will have benefits upon his 20 years when he retires. he works hard, don't get me wrong, but so do i with additional responsibility (life and death). he has the support of a union to back him up. i have the ana and my dog. i trust my dog more.

    after all the anger and abuse, nurses stay because we know we are the best for the job. we know if we leave, no one else on the face of this earth can just step up and do our job. no one can replace our knowledge and skill base because they do not have the experience we do. leaving is not an option after all the time, energy and money that we have invested to get the job right.

    will nursing change in the near future? no. sadly, it will never change unless we have a super support system. it won't happen in my life time.

    we write to all nurses, because we need to support each other. we need to know we are not the only person on the face of this earth that feels defeated by the nursing profession. we need to know we do not suffer alone.
    you said it sister, you said it.
  4. by   teeituptom
    Quote from Hellllllo Nurse
    My thoughts exactly.
    This definitely applies to me.
    Golf is my outlet, Surprise
  5. by   teeituptom
    Quote from TheCommuter
    While I did not enter nursing for the money, I certainly expect to be paid for all of the services that I render to my patients. To put it to you as bluntly as possible, my lifestyle would suffer hideously if I shed my blood, sweat, and tears at the workplace on a regular basis for free.

    In my opinion, there's absolutely nothing wrong with desiring a fair pay rate for all that we do. My body is fatigued and my mind is tiresome after the grueling 16 hour shifts that I work. While caring and compassion should be placed above all else, I'll readily admit that the money needs to be competitive in order for me to continue doing this. Nurses need to stop believing that money is inconsequential.


    I like the money, and I get paid well.

    and we are almost neighbors

    money is important, keeps me on the golf course
  6. by   leslie :-D
    i agree with the poster who said this anger is more appropriately, frustration.
    and for those who don't understand the hair-pulling reactions to our typical work day, then i want to work where you do.
    even better, why don't we just hire technicians that will only focus on clinical mastery (and not give a darn about the pt), and even provide incentives to those who can do the most, in the fastest time?
    heck, the compassionate virtue of a nurse, is quickly being replaced by the blatant greed in a competitive market.
    no one has time to care anymore.
    it's all about doing, not being.
    and our spirits are being abused.
    so when i read about a sister/brother nurse, who is ready to scream until the cows come home, i say "hallelujah!"
    at least i know, there is passion that cries for competent, gentle care in a timely fashion.
    as a nurse should be.
    the day we stop screaming, is the day our spirits have died.
    angry is good.
    keep it coming.
    something will change.

    leslie
  7. by   MzMouse
    As long as I am still venting and complaining; I care. When I stop getting frustrated by what is happening - I need to get out.
  8. by   steelcityrn
    I agree.......not much anger on here....just frustration and concern to improve nursing.
  9. by   Ruby Vee
    Quote from cmo421
    reading the forum in the past few months, a common thread i have seen is the anger. it does not seem to matter what the discussion is about or the level of nurses discussing it,anger is a common denominator. all of us have random days of extremes,anger,disillusionment,panic,sadness,and a host of other feelings. but anger sticks out and the need to place this anger on others.we need to vent,but why is anger a constant?
    in a recent thread, nurses discuss the dealings with combative pts with drug/etoh backrounds. so much fault placed on the pt. i am more then understanding of the difficulties in dealing with these people,but do ya think they do it on purpose?
    when a professional nurse becomes so immersed in anger, it is time to change your specialty or take a break. we are not a perfect group by no means, but we get paid to deal with the best of the best and worst of the worst. it is not always easy,fun, or safe. we should not be abused or taken advantage of by our clients. we should be protected by our employers. we need to be proactive in getting our needs met and the needs of those in our care met.
    when i see such young professionals so angry and disillusioned already, i have to wonder at the future of our profession.
    it is not a profession one should enter to get rich, have great hours,vacations or benifits. it is one that is entered to care for others, teach and mentor. we have come such a long,long way in the past few decades, and we have far to go.
    so, i guess my question to the population here, is how do we grow as a profession without all the constant anger towards each other, our clients and employers? or can we?

    christine
    i see frustration and venting, not a bunch of angry, disillusioned or panicked people.

    noncompliant, abusive and alcoholic patients are frustrating to deal with and after an 8 or 12 hour shift of dealing with their self-centered, self-involved, abusive and manipulative antics, nurses need a safe place to vent lest they take those feelings back to work in the morning and lambast the idiot who desparately deserves it! (and yes, in many cases, i believe they do behave that way on purpose.)

    we should be protected by our employers, but the reality is we aren't. (only employers who are forced to by a strong nursing union are likely to be protective of their nurses. rather than fighting unions because it makes us "less professional" we ought to be embracing them because it makes our employers treat us more professionally. but that's another issue for another thread.) it's safer and more constructive to vent here than it is to march down to the ceo's office and call him a short-sighted, cowardly cretin (even though that may well be a spot-on description).

    while you are correct that no one is in the nursing profession to get rich, i have to disagree about the hours, pay and benefits. the hours are flexible and to some folks that's more important than "banker's hours." i'd be miserable trying to work monday through friday 9-5. nursing's hours -- including weekends and holidays -- suit me just fine, thank you. i was single most of my adult life, and i enjoyed being able to work the holidays and have a nice holiday meal at work with my friends. where else can you work 3 12s, take one day off, work 3 more 12s and take a week off to travel? what other profession allows you to take a monthly vacation without dipping into your paid time off? and while the pay isn't princely, i have a nice life. and i have job security!

    many of you know that i injured my back last year. i was off work for six months. my benefits are good enough that i never missed a paycheck. they weren't full paychecks, but the mortgage got paid, the car payment was made and i ate. my medical insurance covered the doctor's visits, steroid injections, surgery, prescriptions and hospitalizations. i don't know anyone else with benefits that good! my health insurance isn't as good as the insurance i had 30 years ago, but it sure beats most of my family's! plus i can go out and get another job just like this one with one phone call if i ever get angry enough to leave. with friends home on unemployment until their benefits run out, i feel lucky.

    i'm kinda thinking the anger is mostly in the eye of the beholder. i'm sorry you feel that way.
  10. by   Midwest4me
    Quote from MzMouse
    As long as I am still venting and complaining; I care. When I stop getting frustrated by what is happening - I need to get out.
    My sentiments exactly! If we're not frustrated, we obviously don't care. I've been accused if being "impatient"---well there is so much to do in only so much time and with the demands we have upon us, so what????? I get frustrated with the lack of proper staff (3 of us for 30 patients), proper equipment, shift wars, told we have to stay over and do another shift (due to call-is) when we wonder how we'll finish the work that is required of our own shift.
  11. by   Xbox Live Addict
    Being a helping profession does not preclude personal needs, including money. The way I see it, the rate at which you are paid gives you a good idea of how highly the organization for which you work truly thinks of you. If your pay is stagnating while the pay of everyone else around you - outside the hospital as well as in - then what does that tell you about how highly you are valued?

    Most people do not love money, but money is the token that determines what share of the earth's resources you are entitled to, and most of us earn our money through grueling work.

    I say, if you just want to help people and don't care about the money, just join the poverty-relief mission in Calcutta founded by Mother Teresa.
  12. by   ElvishDNP
    I get frustrated. I get ill at the way things are done/said by dummies who aren't in the trenches, or who don't know my patients as well as I do, or who can't see that I'm just one human. Believe me, I've been dragged through the mud, written up, backstabbed, yelled at, cursed at, and whatever. Yes, it does frustrate me.

    The reason I don't carry around a lot of anger: 1) allnurses.com. Seriously - it is by coming here & spilling my guts with people who know what I mean that I can go back to work and not take it out on my pts or docs or whoever, like Ruby said. 2) I know that I am not defined by what others think of me, good or bad. 3) I can do what I can do, and no more. I am not afraid to say that to management, and very very fortunately, I have a wonderful supe and a wonderful NM who back me up on that. I know that is not the case everywhere, and I'm grateful. 4) I give my patients 100% when I'm there. If I do that, I can go home and sleep easy.

    I was just talking with my NM today about how much I really like my job. This was not a butt-kissing conversation, I was talking c her about a current life crisis, and how I don't want to give up this job should circumstances dictate that. I'd love to be there for the next 30 or 40 years if I could. Seriously. My bennies are good, my bills are paid, and I can work weekends only and be home with my son the rest of the week. No, I am not an angry nurse.

    There is plenty that makes me angry, but it has less to do with nursing and more to do with humans' treatment of other humans.
  13. by   GadgetRN71
    IMO, anger is not always a negative thing. It can motivate us to stick up for ourselves and our patients. It can spur us on to take on new oppourtunities. Also, we nurses have all the right in the world to be angry. Administration treats us like children most of the time, and many doctors still view us as bedpan carrying handmaidens(as do many pts and families)Now, with all that said, I still am glad I became a nurse. But, I refuse to put my rose colored glasses on and play Nurse Martyr. That to me is the real danger to our profession. Signed, Angry Newbie:angryfire(otherwise known as WitchyRN)

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