What are the nurse's rights regarding difficult family members?

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Well this post will be half advice seeking and half venting, I suppose I need both. I was a fortunate new grad, and started my first job as a LTC/Rehab nurse the end of August, less than a month after passing my NCLEX-RN. It was an environment in nursing that was so far beyond what I'd learned in nursing school, but I have adapted and made it through many of my 'firsts' there. One recent issue has thrown me off a little, and that's a difficult family member.

I have experienced many difficult family members in my short time as a nurse already - the overbearing, uneducated, rude, and sometimes just plain daft. I've so far been able to deal with these family members well enough to not only help improve their knowledge and comfort level, but to be told I was one of their favorite nurses. We recently got a new rehab admit with a family member who is beyond anything I've had to deal with yet. I'm told this new admit has been there several times already, and everyone hates having her there because of this family member.

This family member is present in the room with her mother from early in the morning to late at night, and makes constant demands on the staff. We're usually short staffed every shift, and just plain struggle to make it through the day with what we have without having to deal with this person, and the added stress is making it near impossible. This person has no difficulty getting right in your face yelling at you if things aren't done to her standards or on her schedule, she's been known to verbally berate and insult staff for little to no reason, throw things around and even at people, and one time even resorted to harshly pushing someone into the wall.

The first day of her admission she had one of my four CNA's in tears, and another nearly walked out on the job simply because of her. She has yelled, screamed, insulted, and even threatened myself and my CNA's. She's in the ADoN's office several times daily complaining about everyone and everything. I'm being told by my ADoN as well as some staff that has been there a long time simply to treat her well, basically giving her the royal treatment. We have already been bending over backwards trying to meet the needs of this family member, and still have been told we're doing a bad job of it.

I have tried every therapeutic communication trick in the book to try and deal with this person without any luck. I find it very difficult in trying to reward bad behavior like this. I would never let the actual patient suffer because of the actions of her family, but giving her family priority when I have 32 other residents/patients to care for seems very wrong to me. My first question was why she was even allowed back, since she's been like this the last four visits, and my second was why I had to make this person happy.

In the end, I'm faced with the difficult choice of how to deal with this person. I firmly believe that there is no excuse for this type of treatment, and that there's no reason I should accept this kind of behavior. I have come to the aid of my CNA's with this person, defended them, and even stepped in to take the onslaught to protect them. I carry a phone with me at all times ready to call the police if she chooses to get physically violent with anyone, I step in and attempt to talk her down when things heat up, and usually walk out after telling her, "I cannot talk with you when you're like this. When you calm down you let me know and we can talk about what's upsetting you so much."

I'm now told I may lose my job for not giving into her demands, for walking out on her, and even for considering calling the police on her. I'm frustrated that I'm expected to simply take whatever she has to throw at me and my staff, and that my employment is even remotely threatened by my desire to keep myself and my staff safe. I know the best way to deal with difficult family members is simply to do what they ask with a smile, but where do you draw the line? How far do you let things go before you stand up and say, "no more!"

Verbal threats and pushing someone into a wall are crimes. Assault and battery in just about every jurisdiction, I think.

Calmly tell the family member that you will call the cops and will prosecute her if she continues with that behavior. Document exactly what happened and note any witnesses that saw it. If you or another employee are injured in any way, no matter how minor, file an incident report and a compensation claim. You want to make sure any lingering injury is covered and have a record of a dangerous workplace.

Don't expect management to take your side just because it's the right thing to do. They've already shown they're gutless. So, contact an employment attorney immediately to make sure you have good advice on what to say/not say if you're called on the carpet or fired.

Getting the H out of that facility, either on your own terms or getting fired is a good thing.

I'm curious as to why you are not talking to the DON. Why stop with the ADON? She is not the top of the ladder.

I think you need to deflate this woman's sail. When she starts in on you, say, "You are terribly afraid, aren't you? You're desperately afraid that your mother is going to pass on before you have made peace with her and with yourself. You are filled with terrible guilt because your relationship with her has not been all that you wanted it to be and this causes you terrible fear and pain. I understand,

Ms. Smith, I understand and I feel your pain." Add that "I do care about you and I would like to help you, but I have to feel safe around you and, because you are so loud and so violent, I feel unsafe. I'm afraid you are going to hurt me and I cannot allow you to do that. So you have to stop being violent and you have to stop screaming and throwing things. If you did this at another place of business, you would be calling the police. Please don't force me into that position because I really would like to help you and I'd like for us to get along and be on good terms. Will you work with me on this?"

Or something like that.

I think I'm on the right track in thinking that she is truly sad, guilty, and afraid. No, that does not excuse her. Nor should you continue to allow her to be disrespectful and definitely not physically violent.

Meantime, talk with a couple of lawyers, very quietly and privately, about your options. Stop discussing anything with your peers or the aides.

Is there a Risk Manager regularly on the premises? If you could quietly talk to that person, in a way that wouldn't look like you were going out of your way to do so, that MIGHT be good. Might not, though, as that person is on Management's side.

DO NOT LET THAT PERSON BE VIOLENT WITH YOU. DO NOT TRY TO PACIFY HER. SET HER STRAIGHT as I have suggested. It also might not hurt to look for work elsewhere, just to keep your options open and not have to leave suddenly. Maybe sign up with an agency and work a shift for them every so often. That way, you can check out other facilities, just in case you need to move on.

Specializes in Med-surg, home care.

I am not a nurse or even a student yet (I am a potential career changer) but I would have a very difficult time caving in to someone who is not only disrespectful, but verbally and physically threatening. You are there to provide care, not be abused. I do not know the protocols in your work environment or nursing in general but in my current job (dept of social service) clients that are hostile or threatening in any manner are not serviced, period. In some instances those client are escorted by security/peace officers and are not allowed back into the center until the next day (at which point they are much calmer, compliant, etc.). Again I am far from being a nurse but it sounds like you are doing all in your power to deal with the situation, why should you be penalized? I don't know. I would love to be a nurse one day but I know me. I WOULD NOT let anyone just disrespect or threaten me/co workers and not do something (call security/police, etc.).

Specializes in Adult/Ped Emergency and Trauma.

I would have had this woman removed from the facility after the first warning failed- she would get no warning for physical assault. You can't cure stupid, but we sure shouldn't enable it!

By the way, you did the right thing walking away. Everyone knows to walk away before it escalates.

Also, like a previous poster stated, this patient should have been refused without a written understanding with the family or POV.

Now I also join the others in saying Document everything. I know your workload is overwhelming- but it is imperative if you stay. You have done great, don't let an idiot discourage one of our good nurses. That's how we win, if your standing after the storm, you won.

That said, that would have been my last discussion with this aDON, and I would have handed her my Nametag. She is creating the oven that will burn you out; I'd rather lose my job, than lose my career.

I understand you not wanting to go up the chain-of-command, the aDON could make it hell on you. You have done the right thing, and it sounds like you will make a good decision. We don't have to live with the decision- you do. Just make sure it's what you want, and what you can live with.

This type of Mngt. Is dangerous. Now you know what to expect when you may really need them!

Good Luck!!!!!!

Op, Please before you do anything, speak with an attorney. A lot of the other advice given by the other posters is good advice if you were dealing with a reasonable person. But if the way you describe this person is accurate, then I'm not sure she would qualify as reasonable. I just don't want you to have a well meaning conversation with this woman, and have it taken in the wrong way by her (or even if it isn't taken the wrong way, she may just use it as something else to make a scene over), leading to an incident which, whether fair or not leads to your termination.

You have already stated that after speaking to management about the woman, your job was threatened. This means that they will not only not be there for you if things go bad, but they will work against you in the name of protecting the facility and its income. They've made it clear that YOU are expendable (not that this is right, but it's how they feel...), and they choose this woman's satisfaction and ego over your personal rights. Now that you know this, act accordingly. Like one of the previous posters suggested, do not tell your co-workers that you plan on speaking to an atty! Maybe you think they all like you, and maybe they all do. But I am pretty sure that none of them will speak out for you for fear of losing their own jobs, as since they've been there a while they understand even better than you how management feels in the "Nurse Vs PT/PT family" issue.

Make sure that you document all the events that happened.

Do NOT do 1:1 with these type of family members....always have another staff member around. could be come a he said- she said thing.

I second the going up the chain of command...maybe this ADON is brushing this under the rug?

Specializes in school nursing, ortho, trauma.

Learn this now - you are nobody punching bag. A person has no more right to assault you than they do a bank teller or a butcher. Yes, there are times we deal with confused patients and may get injured - that is one thing - but an alert and oriented, albeit angry person whether it's a patient, family member or whomever has no right to put their hands on you. It wouldn't be tolerated in any other industry and we need to stop tolerating it in ours.

Is the patient supposed to be discharged home with this family member? Some possible red flags are: threatening speech, becoming vocally beligerent when aggravated, acting out physically against staff, making unreasonable demands, invading another's personal space, throwing, hitting or pushing objects in the environment. Abuse by family caregivers can and does happen- it would be a tragedy for a patient to be discharged home into the hands of an abuser.

Who Are the Abusers?

Is the patient supposed to be discharged home with this family member? Some possible red flags are: threatening speech, becoming vocally beligerent when aggravated, acting out physically against staff, making unreasonable demands, invading another's personal space, throwing, hitting or pushing objects in the environment. Abuse by family caregivers can and does happen- it would be a tragedy for a patient to be discharged home into the hands of an abuser.

Who Are the Abusers?

Excellent point! Report dtr as an abuser of her mother! That might solve the whole mess. I love it, sorry I didn't think of it. Do NOT tell ANYONE, ANYONE, ANYWHERE, ANYWHERE that you reported, if you do report.

There needs to be an adminstrative meeting with all disciplines to create some sort of plan to deal with this family member and her behavior. Then it is up to the administrators to direct you all on specific ways to deal with her, and a safety plan put in place. If this family member is not a POA, and Mom can speak for herself, then she is a guest in your facility, and can be placed on a no tresspass order. Which is exactly what needs to happen should the family member not adhere to the rules of the facility. Social work needs to speak with her, to come up with a plan everyone can deal with. Weekly family meetings,in addition to a plan for family member to write everything down and charge will meet with her ONCE daily to address any issues. Set perimeters on when she can come and see her mother, and otherwise, when she can call to speak directly to her. And she needs to be told that in fact should she be verbally or physically agressive with staff that she will deal with the police. I am not sure why adminstration is dealing with this, however, should your direct supervisors not be amendable to a plan for safety and effective communication, then I would most certainly bring this higher in the chain of command, right to the corporate aspect of the facility. In most nursing homes, there's an omsbudsmun, and state agencies--I would certainly make use of them as well. There's difficult family members, then there's people who are members of a resident's family who are threatening and dangerous. I am curious if Elder Services is involved in this case, as if a daughter is that out of control, I would fear for the resident's safety should this be a short term stay. Additionally, I would speak with your case manager and social work regarding reporting to elder services should the resident go home, as perhaps this resident needs a court appointed guardian if the daughter is incapacitated to the point of physical agression in trying to make a point. You have a resident to protect and ethically and appropriately deal with via your nursing license. I would not put it on the line for a dangerous individual who has no business taking care of her mother in any aspect until she can get herself under control--if that is even possible.

Oh, and report to OSHA. Do that TODAY. There needs to be an alternate level of supervision if your current administration will tolerate assault of staff. And if your facility accepts state or federal insurance (Medicare) I would call the compliance hotline. And your parent corporation probably has a complaince hotline as well. Look it up. If you lose your job over this, then I would contact an attorney. Otherwise, this will put some plans in place outside of the facility itself to keep you all safe. Another thought I had is that most local police departments have officers specific to elders. You need to start a paper trail with this officer. I use all of this "drastic" measure interventions, as you are charge in the facility when some of this stuff happens, so you are responsible. If another family member of another resident has seen all this behavior, you never know who has already made reports to agencies and the police. CYA.

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