Things you'd LOVE to be able to tell patients, and get away with it. - page 65

:spin:Just curious as to what you would say. Mine goes something like this: Hi, my name is AngelfireRN, I'll be your nurse tonight. I am not a waitress, nor am I your slave. Yelling... Read More

  1. by   serjohn
    I understand totally that this is a vent thread, but I just had to get that out. Its frustrating to be seen that way all the time. So that was MY vent.
  2. by   Ruby Vee
    Quote from serjohn
    :spbox:
    umm, im a nurse, and i had a baby at 15, and at 17... and if my daughter (born when i was 17) did too, id tell her she should have known better because of me, but i would not think less of her... our hormones rage at 14, 15, 16; but society tells us that youre still too young to be a mum even at 25, which i will be soon, and i only just had my 3rd bubba... i understand this is a venting thread, but being prengant at a young age is not a health issue until it is before puberty has had a chance to make the necessary physical changes (hips, breasts etc). it is an education issue. i am not attacking you, but you need to direct these feelings to the parents and teachers of these kids for not teaching her how to correctly use birth control. it is their responsibility to make sure she is well educated, and to a point, yours too. not hers. she is too young! and sex is fun!my: they are told that all the time! she cant be blamed for wanting to try it. in my case, i fell pg the first time because nobody had the sense to tell us that condoms come in different sizes, just like penises. it broke. at the worst. possible. time. my second was planned, however. and i have been with this man now for 9 years :blushkiss.

    i guess what i want to say, is, i understand this is a venting thread, and i understand your frustration with these kids, but your anger, for the wider group of girls who have been there, is misdirected. we generally dont go out and try to get knocked up, but it happens. mostly due to poor education.
    this is a vent thread. it is for venting. it is not for education of nurses who have worked for years as nurses by someone who has three years of education as a student, whatever your life situation. you are not a nurse. therefore you couldn't possibly understand the real nurse's need to vent. if you feel the need to vent about nurses making assumptions about teen pregnancy, if you go to the general nursing section and click on "new thread", you can start your own thread and do just that.

    and if you're old enough to choose to have sex, you're old enough to be responsible for birth control. (this does not apply to those teens who got pregnant without choosing to have sex.)
  3. by   serjohn
    :flmngmd:
    Am I allowed to vent too or not?
    I AM a nurse, I have been an EEN in Palliative oncology and Orthoi Rehab (my facility does both)for 4 years, and I am a student RN. Forgive me for not taking time out of my busy schedule with my Newborn, work, study and my other 2 kids to change my info at the top . I will do it now, shall I?

    My issue is that I am having a b!+(h about the educ they receive and ignore, not the patients themselves. OK, maybe yes about the patients too, because even though its BAD advice they choose not to follow, its still advice.

    One girl I had looked after whole on my Maternity placement decided to have unprotected sex WHILE SHE WAS LIKELY TO BE OVULATING because
    A. she thought it was meant to be more lubed then, so she wouldnt need the spermicidal libe she had bought
    B. isnt that when its hardest for sperm to live
    C. doesnt it take 3 weeks for the egg to get to the cervix to the sperm to get to it anyway


    Worst thing is, her PE teacher had TAUGHT THEM THIS!! So yes, the first thing that the dr should have done was put her straight, and if it were me, in the bluntest possible way. But no, she called her a stupid girl.


    anyhoo... heres my "idiot of the week" contribution...

    Pts son: Ser, can you pleae come and cut up my fathers steak? hes in rm 4
    Me: Sure, Ill be there in a minute.

    *finish with oesoph tumour pt's feeds*

    I go to rm 4, and the pt that normally has a steak is not having one tonight, hes having fish instead (I forgot it was friday). Instead, my MVA rehab pt with both arms in casts and his JAW WIRED SHUT is having a steak... SO he thinks!

    Me: SIr is this your dinner?
    Pt: Nods and grunts Yes...
    Me: did you order a steak?
    Pt: nods emphatically, poijts to son, gives thumbs up, i assume his son ordered it for him...
    Me: you ordered a steak, but your jaw is wired shut...
    Pts son: Well are you going to cut it up and feed him or not?
    Me: No.
    Pts son: Well why the >expletive< not??
    Me: because your father is on a liquid diet due to his jaw being broken, I am happy to cut it up, but I will NOT feed it to him. If you would like to feed it to him, you will need to teah him to inhale it, because it aint going in any other way. I wil feed it to you though, because you are obviously incapable of working out that ... FOOD GOES IN MOUTH... So if his mouth doesnt open, where is it going to go, coz I aint shoving it up his a&#e!


    NUM thought it was funny. SOn had never visited in 3 weeks, and just shows upand says 'you want a steak dad? SUre Ill get you one"!!!
  4. by   kukukajoo
    i just don't think that a comment like this is even close to being acceptable. this attitude should not be acceptable by any nurse, new or experienced, i don't care how many years of experience you have or don't have.



    Quote from ruby vee
    this is a vent thread. it is for venting. it is not for education of nurses who have worked for years as nurses by someone who has three years of education as a student, whatever your life situation. you are not a nurse. therefore you couldn't possibly understand the real nurse's need to vent. if you feel the need to vent about nurses making assumptions about teen pregnancy, if you go to the general nursing section and click on "new thread", you can start your own thread and do just that.

    and if you're old enough to choose to have sex, you're old enough to be responsible for birth control. (this does not apply to those teens who got pregnant without choosing to have sex.)
  5. by   sharpeimom
    Quote from kukukajoo
    I just don't think that a comment like this is even close to being acceptable. This attitude should not be acceptable by ANY nurse, new or experienced, I don't care how many years of experience you have or don't have.
    When you have actually been a nurse and not only a nursing student, you will have learned just how correct Ruby's response was. I'm not chomping on your head and neither was she. It's just that we've both lived longer and had more experience -- with patients as well as with people in general -- than you probably have. Something good and useful has to come with getting older than we used to be.

    sharpeimom
  6. by   kukukajoo
    I'm not a student, nor am I young, so please don't assume. I have plenty of life experiences to go on in nursing and from before I became a nurse and understand the need to vent whether it be about patients, co workers, family, bosses, the corporation, and the list goes on.

    EVERYONE in life needs time to vent sometimes, no matter if you are a nurse, daycare worker, office manager, a mother, a student, a principal, doctor or a factory worker.

    Ruby's response just sounds so negative and somewhat inflammatory to Serjohn and I think that as a whole, the profession is really working hard to not be judgmental and condescending to new nurses and nursing students. It is that which I find somewhat inappropriate. It makes it sound like because she assumed she was not a nurse (which she has been a nurse for some time) that she had less of a right to vent here, if she even has the right at all.


    Quote from sharpeimom
    When you have actually been a nurse and not only a nursing student, you will have learned just how correct Ruby's response was. I'm not chomping on your head and neither was she. It's just that we've both lived longer and had more experience -- with patients as well as with people in general -- than you probably have. Something good and useful has to come with getting older than we used to be.

    sharpeimom
  7. by   serjohn
    come to ausstralia - there's no "customer care" ethos in the public sector, at least, and visitors who disrespect the staff get told off by the resource nurse, unit manager or clincal coordinator. if they're aggressive they're evicted by security and banned.

    there are any number of other faults, but at least i know management has my back if people mistake this for a hotel and object when i correct them.

    aussie [color=yellow]aussie aussie!nbch:
    Last edit by serjohn on Feb 9, '09 : Reason: bad html didnt work
  8. by   Ruby Vee
    Quote from kukukajoo
    i'm not a student, nor am i young, so please don't assume. i have plenty of life experiences to go on in nursing and from before i became a nurse and understand the need to vent whether it be about patients, co workers, family, bosses, the corporation, and the list goes on.

    everyone in life needs time to vent sometimes, no matter if you are a nurse, daycare worker, office manager, a mother, a student, a principal, doctor or a factory worker.

    ruby's response just sounds so negative and somewhat inflammatory to serjohn and i think that as a whole, the profession is really working hard to not be judgmental and condescending to new nurses and nursing students. it is that which i find somewhat inappropriate. it makes it sound like because she assumed she was not a nurse (which she has been a nurse for some time) that she had less of a right to vent here, if she even has the right at all.
    serijohn's profile (as does yours) says she is a student. a student is not a nurse. neither is a daycare worker, office manager, principal, doctor or factory worker. a mother may or may not be a nurse -- depends on the mother. i found serijohns's comments to be condescending to nurses who were venting on this, a vent thread. in fact, i find it negative, inflammatory and inappropriate for student nurses, nursing students, pre-nursing students and anyone else who is not actually a licenesed or registered nurse to be coming on a vent thread and telling nurses how wrong their attitudes are when they are venting. i did not assume that serijohn was not a nurse; i looked at her profile which said she had 3 years of experience as a student. i have concluded that you are not a nurse either, as your profile says you're a student. if that information is incorrect, it is not my fault.

    everyone has a right to vent. however it is bad manners for a student to come on a vent thread where nurses are venting and chastise them for venting about one thing or another. if you'd like to vent about how awful all of us nasty old nurses are to vent, please feel free to start your own thread to do so.

    i wish "the profession" was trying as hard not to be rude and condescending to seasoned nurses, senior nurses, experienced nurses and old nurses as it was to be careful of newbies jumping in and telling us we're wrong.
  9. by   eriksoln
    Quote from sharpeimom
    When you have actually been a nurse and not only a nursing student, you will have learned just how correct Ruby's response was. I'm not chomping on your head and neither was she. It's just that we've both lived longer and had more experience -- with patients as well as with people in general -- than you probably have. Something good and useful has to come with getting older than we used to be.

    sharpeimom
    I am getting to the age where I dont like amuesment park rides as much. They scare me anymore, and I get sick as a dog. Yeah, I need something to replace my fav. hobby.
  10. by   serjohn
    Quote from southernbeegirl
    honey, if you think you could do any better then YOU go talk to him! lol

    I've been at this a long time. I understand limits and boundaries with patients. but there is always that one, ya know? and he is it!

    no one, not the admin, not the social worker, not the psychologist, not the doctor, not the NP, not the CNAS...no one..not one single person can get away from this man.

    IMO the only thing that would help him is to roll his bed outside, push it down the hill straight into the river and show him the pretty fishies on the bottom
    Ugh! I had one like that... for 6 weeks! The social worker copped it worst though...
    One day this poor woman actually came and saw us before going into the room, and I quote the dialogue:
    SW"Hey can you girls come in and tell me you need me, or I have a phone call for something important, or page me or something if Im not out of there in half an hour?"
    ME "its pt lunch time though... I have feeds to do."
    SW "heres $20. Anything you can do."

    I grabbed her mobile and set her alarm to go off in 20 mins. worked a charm.
  11. by   serjohn
    Quote from ruby vee
    serijohn's profile (as does yours) says she is a student. a student is not a nurse. neither is a daycare worker, office manager, principal, doctor or factory worker. a mother may or may not be a nurse -- depends on the mother. i found serijohns's comments to be condescending to nurses who were venting on this, a vent thread. in fact, i find it negative, inflammatory and inappropriate for student nurses, nursing students, pre-nursing students and anyone else who is not actually a licenesed or registered nurse to be coming on a vent thread and telling nurses how wrong their attitudes are when they are venting. i did not assume that serijohn was not a nurse; i looked at her profile which said she had 3 years of experience as a student. i have concluded that you are not a nurse either, as your profile says you're a student. if that information is incorrect, it is not my fault.
    ###rant###


    i am an endorsed enrolled nurse. i am studying to become a registered nurse. i am a nurse. i updated my profile for you too. if you dont know what an een is, i posted it in another thread. go into my profile again (which is now updated), and you should be able to find out which one...

    i am also qualified as an emergency medical technician...

    i am a student and a nurse. i tell ya what, "he who ceases to be a student has never been one." the motto at my uni. i am both.
    so lets just drop it.
    Last edit by UM Review RN on Feb 9, '09 : Reason: TOS
  12. by   UM Review RN
    Re: Things you'd LOVE to be able to tell patients, and get away with it.
    A gentle reminder:

    Folks, please try to be polite to one another and please, please, please stay on topic. This is a vent thread.

    In a vent thread, criticism of the post and side comments to the poster are considered inappropriate and off-topic.

    Further off-topic posts may be removed at the discretion of the mods.


    If a post that is off-topic should appear, rather than answer the poster, please take the time to report the post by clicking the link at the bottom left of the offending post. Please do not engage the poster.

    Angie O’Plasty, RN
    Moderator
  13. by   eriksoln
    Quote from Angie O'Plasty, RN
    Re: Things you'd LOVE to be able to tell patients, and get away with it.
    A gentle reminder:

    Folks, please try to be polite to one another and please, please, please stay on topic. This is a vent thread.

    In a vent thread, criticism of the post and side comments to the poster are considered inappropriate and off-topic.

    Further off-topic posts may be removed at the discretion of the mods.

    Angie O'Plasty, RN
    Moderator
    Whatever......................

    You just feel threatened because I am good looking. You are jelous of me and pick on me for it. Fine, be that way............................................... ........<_<

    Oh, that wasnt directed at me.

    Nevermind.

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