Prejudice Against Overweight Patients: An Issue To Ponder - page 6

Weight discrimination is the treatment of someone in an unfair manner due to the person's size. Even though extremely thin individuals are occasionally treated poorly due to their size, overweight... Read More

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    Quote from tothepointeLVN
    It's not viable because of our food environment. Eating out and buying prepared food on Atkins is difficult and lets face it many of us may not have been overweight if we liked to cook. We just aren't as skilled at getting a lot of fat / carbs /salt into a dish as commercial chefs.
    I hear you on this, we are usually so busy and rarely have time to prepare meals or even sit down with our family to eat. The sitting down with our family is as vital for the health of our family as is preparing meals.

    When we prepare meals we take control of our lives and skip all the hype and processed foods. I thought homemaking foods would take so much of my time but I was totally wrong! It takes no more time than preparing a meal from a box and is much more satisfying. So the time issue has just become a big excuse. And stopping at a drive thru and eating on the run...well that can be easily skipped with a lunch box, what is hard is to skip with the excuses.

    I prepare all my meals now, breakfast, lunch and dinner. They all include lean meats, healthy fats, veggies and sometimes fruit. All my meat is frozen, I pick what I will eat the next day and stick in the fridge the night before so it can be pulled from the fridge and defrosted quick. Toss my meat on the stove, while it's cooking I chop up a few veggies and toss them in the pan when the meat is just about cooked, toss a lid on top and viola! Dinner ready in like 20 minutes.

    It's fun to experiment with adding flavors like garlic cloves, rosemary, paprika, etc. I am even growing some herbs in my kitchen window.

    School is the hard part. I am often gone all day and have a long commute. So I pack around a big lunch box on my rollie backpack. I get plenty of looks, let me tell ya, as people scarf on their vending machine lunches, eat the horrible cafeteria food or take off in groups to spend hard earned money to eat out. I learned the hard way that glass tupperware makes food taste so much better! My lunch is often leftovers, nuts, tuna with veggies, a piece of fruit, etc. I take as much food as I think I will need so that I will not get stuck with nothing and a growling stomach then have to resort to vending machine crap.
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    i fully believe the word "diet" is detrimental to the goal of losing weight.
    any permanent weight loss, has to be the result of a lifestyle change.
    this is why family/friends are crucial in becoming triumphant.

    for those who are able to do so, get that referral from your dr, to consult with dietitian.
    find out exactly what your insurance will cover.
    find support groups with folks trying to achieve like goals.
    eliminate the no-brainers in promoting wt loss, i.e., candy/cakes/chips/etc.
    find/create inspiration in your daily life, as there are many blessings around us - we just need to be cognizant of them.

    i am not trying to sound simplistic, as i am very aware of the complexities involved in changing one's lifestyle.
    it is a major and permanent commitment.
    but my main point is, one's mindset/attitude can be instrumental in feeling positive and hopeful.
    do not try and change if you are doing so for the wrong reasons, e.g., "because i should".
    it needs to happen "because i want to"...and not a day before.

    there IS lots of support around us all...
    we just need to ask.

    leslie
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    Quote from HM-8404
    You are correct, you must take what you read with a grain of salt. Including claims made by someone that is trying to sell you a book based on a research paper the author read.

    I cannot recall the name of the study. We discussed it in my nutrition class where my professor holds a PhD in Nutritional Science. I think she may be slightly more informed than some random person on an internet website. I was able to locate a couple of reputable websites that address the Adkins diet.

    What Is the Atkins Diet? Expert Review of This Diet Plan

    The Atkins Paradox: What Diet Studies Don't Reveal | LiveScience

    I would have a doubt about any diet that suggested I remove all fruits and vegetables from my diet and replace them with bacon and pork chops.

    I have a really good friend that swears by the Atkins diet. He dropped a lot of weight fast. The diet has to work for some or it would never have become popular. I just don't see it as a viable option for most people.
    We have to always keep in mind that no matter the level of education of the person delivering the info that person may still have personal opinions that cloud the information they share, which they often are completely unaware of. There are M.D's, Ph.d's, research scientists of all types who for over a hundred years have been unable to agree on diets and weight loss.

    I have not looked much at Atkins but it is similar to Paleo. I don't see many reasons (never forget the many factors each individual person brings to the table) why a person would be unable to maintain this diet long term. There are many different types of Paleo, as I've found, but the one that is a high fat, mod protein, low carb one seems ideal. Plenty of lean meats, healthy fats, veggies and some fruit. No processed food, keep it all natural and made from scratch as possible, still get plenty of nutrients, will need to add calcium and vit D due to no diary (lots of issues behind cows milk as well, goats milk would be good as does not cause the problems that can come from cows milk like lactose intolerance). And let's not forget that cows milk is pastuerized which destroys many of the nutrients, so the calcium and vit d are added back in, that's not very natural. No legumes or grains...I've looked into that a little bit and it's amazing the links to inflammation, immune issues, GI issues and allergies that come with these products and there is plenty of science behind it.

    The 14 day transition is only a challenge as you are not actually hungry as with other diets but you still have to fight those cravings for carbs. Then once you get going, I have heard that your cravings for the food you grew up with diminish over time and loose their appeal as you replace them with new comfort foods.
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    Quote from Crazed
    I've spoken about this issue too many times to count now, but in short, stop judging fat people. Stop judging gay people. Stop judging people with tattoos. Stop judging people with red hair. Stop judging people who watch Dancing with the stars. Stop judging Muslims. Stop judging people of different races. Stop judging teen mothers.

    Just stop judging people, and treat them like someone you love.

    Why is this hard?
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    Overweight people are seen as unattractive ( in the eye of the beholder and maybe they are) by many in society and I do not think we can control who were are attracted to ., overweight people are seen as noncomplient, for the most part that is true with regards to diet and exercise. I have seen many 450lbs pts and no one anywhere wants to address the huge elephant in the room. seriously. i find that they tend to become more defensive then even some of the drug addicts when any mention of their eating habits is discusssed. GUess what if you are that big and need to be boosted up in bed, turned repo- we are gonna need more people whether that upsets you or not. I would also like to add I have been fat and thin. The thin part is NOT easy, IT IS a struggle and I do not always enjoy hours at the gym or not eating what I want for days on end and resented those implications. The fat part had much or everything to do with non compliance to healthy living.
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    I sometimes think, many obese people are addicted to food. addicted like an alcoholic or crack addicts. etc. I think because of that and the feelings of loss of self control that come with an addiction some people get defensive/angry when it is mentioned. just like in that CAGE acronym. how else can we explain the eating a whole bag of chips that don't taste that great, eating a whole pizza, etc. Not every obese/overweight person is addicted to food, i am not saying that, but I think some are. just like one can be addicted to anything.
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    I sometimes think, many obese people are addicted to food. addicted like an alcoholic or crack addicts. etc. I think because of that and the feelings of loss of self control that come with an addiction some people get defensive/angry when it is mentioned. just like in that CAGE acronym. how else can we explain the eating a whole bag of chips that don't taste that great, eating a whole pizza, etc. Not every obese/overweight person is addicted to food, i am not saying that, but I think some are. just like one can be addicted to anything.
    I think you need to stop thinking because what is coming out of your head is ignorant and insulting.

    Most obese people DO NOT eat entire bags of chips or whole pizzas. Are you kidding me? Where do you get your information from? TV?
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    Quote from tothepointeLVN
    I think you need to stop thinking because what is coming out of your head is ignorant and insulting.

    Most obese people DO NOT eat entire bags of chips or whole pizzas. Are you kidding me? Where do you get your information from? TV?
    Sorry to burst you bubble, but the other poster was correct. I know this on a personal level and I watched a TV show this summer where part of the therapy is to put the entire days food that the particular obese person they are working with would eat throughout the day and compare it to a regular real life average weight person. The amount of food was astounding, even to the obese person, who had been diluting themselves about how much they ate.


    I am considering obese by the BMI scale, and I can tell you my husband would bring home a pizze and I could eat the entire thing exept for maybe one or two slices, which I would eat later when I got hungry again, oh like an hour later. I wouldn't sit and eat one slice of cake, I would have three, because it tasted soooo good. I could not only kill a bag of chips, I could kill a bag of chips with half a thing of ranch dip, then have dinner, desert and then several cups of coffee full of cream and sugar; I could eat a large big mac meal and barely feel full.

    It would take more of this type of crappy food that I ate to fill me up and this food never filled me up for very long because it was nothing but quick burning carbs. I would eat all day, like 6 meals or more a day like this. I was always hungry, sometimes I ate because I was bored, or depressed and sometimes I ate when I wasn't hungry just because the food was so yummy.

    You may never see this yourself because many overweight people hide their eating. I did, and often. I would eat at burger king on the way to school, then get there and get a meal from the cafeteria to take to class. I would wait til my family went to bed, then root around in the fridge to eat.

    People feel very quilty about this behavior...many know it's wrong and feel horrible that they seem helpless to stop it.

    Also, I can imagine that many obese people become easily offended because what you are telling them is something that they have already heard twenty times that day, from TV, to their family to some random person on the street.
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    Quote from tothepointeLVN
    I think you need to stop thinking because what is coming out of your head is ignorant and insulting.

    Most obese people DO NOT eat entire bags of chips or whole pizzas. Are you kidding me? Where do you get your information from? TV?
    It is not ignorant and I do not care if it is insulting. It is not meant to be that way. And yes the morbidly obese do eat alot, if they are bags or half bags of chips or something else. you do not get to 500lbs on a 1200 calorie a day diet.
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    Quote from Pets to People
    Sorry to burst you bubble, but the other poster was correct. I know this on a personal level and I watched a TV show this summer where part of the therapy is to put the entire days food that the particular obese person they are working with would eat throughout the day and compare it to a regular real life average weight person. The amount of food was astounding, even to the obese person, who had been diluting themselves about how much they ate.


    I am considering obese by the BMI scale, and I can tell you my husband would bring home a pizze and I could eat the entire thing exept for maybe one or two slices, which I would eat later when I got hungry again, oh like an hour later. I wouldn't sit and eat one slice of cake, I would have three, because it tasted soooo good. I could not only kill a bag of chips, I could kill a bag of chips with half a thing of ranch dip, then have dinner, desert and then several cups of coffee full of cream and sugar; I could eat a large big mac meal and barely feel full.

    It would take more of this type of crappy food that I ate to fill me up and this food never filled me up for very long because it was nothing but quick burning carbs. I would eat all day, like 6 meals or more a day like this. I was always hungry, sometimes I ate because I was bored, or depressed and sometimes I ate when I wasn't hungry just because the food was so yummy.

    You may never see this yourself because many overweight people hide their eating. I did, and often. I would eat at burger king on the way to school, then get there and get a meal from the cafeteria to take to class. I would wait til my family went to bed, then root around in the fridge to eat.

    People feel very quilty about this behavior...many know it's wrong and feel horrible that they seem helpless to stop it.

    Also, I can imagine that many obese people become easily offended because what you are telling them is something that they have already heard twenty times that day, from TV, to their family to some random person on the street.
    Thank you for your post.
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    Quote from tothepointelvn
    i think you need to stop thinking because what is coming out of your head is ignorant and insulting.

    most obese people do not eat entire bags of chips or whole pizzas. are you kidding me? where do you get your information from? tv?


    Quote from pets to people
    sorry to burst you bubble, but the other poster was correct. i know this on a personal level and i watched a tv show this summer where part of the therapy is to put the entire days food that the particular obese person they are working with would eat throughout the day and compare it to a regular real life average weight person. the amount of food was astounding, even to the obese person, who had been diluting themselves about how much they ate.
    exactly my point. information gotten from a tv show. so accurate . a friend of my is a reality tv show producer with her own production company. trust me nothing she produces is remote real. it just involves real people. reality tv is not a reliable source.

    it doesn't take a large calorie deficit. if you took in a surplus of 350 calories each day for 1000 days (about 3 years or so) you would be 100lbs overweight. i will restate i have never eaten an entire pizza or bag of chips and i would think most overweight people don't but hey this just illustrates that people do think overweight people sit around eating chips while rolling around on the floor eating hoho's
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    It doesn't take a large calorie deficit. If you took in a surplus of 350 calories each day for 1000 days (about 3 years or so) you would be 100lbs overweight. I will restate I have never eaten an ENTIRE pizza or bag of chips and I would think most overweight people don't But hey this just illustrates that people DO think overweight people sit around eating chips while rolling around on the floor eating hoho's
    I believe you mean calorie excess, not deficit. And yes, I understand that TV is not a reliable source, which is why I backed up what was said with personal experience. Heck, even scientific research studies performed by Ph.d's are not always reliable sources.

    What you explain is another example of what can lead to a persons weight gain, certainly, and overeating the way the other poster mentioned is also another way. We can also include steroids and other meds, hypothyroidism, cushings, etc.

    Let's not forget the basic rules of metabolism. If you eat 350 extra calories a day for so many days, as you say, yes you will gain weight but as time goes on and you gain more weight, you must eat calories in addition to that 350 a day simply to maintain your current body weight.

    And no, a person doesn't have to roll around on the floor in a pile of hoho's in order to gain weight, they can in fact be very active, work all day, go to the gym, etc and still gain weight (or maintained their excess weight) if they are ingesting a bad diet or have other issues as I mentioned above. And by bad diet I do not necessarily mean an excess of calories. Weight loss and gain is 80% diet and 20% excercise. No one can out train a bad diet.

    We can all agree that no one can say exactly what causes weight gain or exactly the best way to loose weight, but we can agree that what we are trying currently is certainly not working.

    And also as far as judgement of overweight people is concerned, I doubt that will ever end. It is human nature, sucky as it is, and til the end of time people will judge other people, either by the clothes they wear, the food they eat, the way they look, who they are seen with or whatever other silly reason they can come up with. Course I do not mean everyone does this...wait, yes I do! Face it, you are lying to yourself if you say you have never caught yourself judging someone for something. Sometimes I catch myself doing it and sometimes I don't. When I do, I think to myself, "well that was crappy, I'm sure as heck not perfect myself".
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    Quote from tothepointeLVN



    Exactly my point. Information gotten from a TV show. So accurate . A friend of my is a reality TV show producer with her own production company. Trust me nothing she produces is remote real. It just involves real people. Reality TV is not a reliable source.

    It doesn't take a large calorie deficit. If you took in a surplus of 350 calories each day for 1000 days (about 3 years or so) you would be 100lbs overweight. I will restate I have never eaten an ENTIRE pizza or bag of chips and I would think most overweight people don't But hey this just illustrates that people DO think overweight people sit around eating chips while rolling around on the floor eating hoho's
    The poster was also giving their personal experiences, so I would think he/she knows that these are true.

    I've eaten an entire large pizza by myself and I weigh 135 pounds, so it absolutely can be done. I have watched my morbidly obese relatives eat a HUGE dinner and then eat an entire pie.
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