Nursing student lied about me to my manager, and I cannot prove it. - page 4
I will try to make this short. I am an RN and have been working in a hospital med-surg unit for 4 years. Recently one of our nurses was precepting an RN student who is about to graduate. I... Read More
Mar 8, '13Add this to the pile of examples of why no one on my floor wants to have a student. Having a student takes time. Time to explain, time to check after everything hey do, and then inevitably there can be trouble. Sometimes a small part of our day ends up being a class wide clinical discussion and what actually happened can be misrepresented. I had a student one shift and the previous nurse before me had neglected to give meds all day. She left several uncharted and appearing as late. Blood thinners, Bp meds, and other important meds. This nurse does that all the time. Not a new thing. Gets written up daily or it and manager does nothing. I called her at home to ask her what meds she had actually given if any. None had been. I explained to the student that you can't guess, you don't want to double someone up on Bp meds or blood thinners etc. Atient was confused, can't tell you what they had or didnot have. Student went back to clinical group and told them I didn't know what meds to give and called a nurse at home for advice. WTH?! I ad to go to the clinical group and explain what actually happened, student had changed the whole story and made me look like an idiot. She admitted the truth when confronted. No more students for me. Ain't nobody got time for that!
Mar 8, '13On the first day of a major departmental change at my hospital (merging of two floors into one department, plus some other concurrent changes) a group of students was also on the floor. Of course that was a poor planning and decision, because although they were working in a group with an instructor, they were unfortunately there on a chaotic, confusing, and low-morale day.
A student had taken my MAR/kardex (mardex!) without telling me, while I was still doing report. It took several minutes for me to find it, and I went to take it (she had left it sitting on a table) and the student shouted, "I was using THAT!" and tried to take it back from me.
I said to her, "I need it for report", took it, then spoke to her instructor after because I did not like how the student had spoken, and I didn't find it appropriate that she seemed to feel that I should wait for her to finish with it. The student flat-out denied having yelled and told the instructor she had said something entirely different. I let it go, because the day was already going poorly, but was not at all impressed with that student.
Mar 9, '13Quote from SaoirseRNOh no you di'int!!!! Whew!!! That made my blood boil just reading that. Our nursing instructors (from multiple ) err on the side of the patient/nurse/anybody but the student so much that I honestly feel sorry for them sometimes! One of them came in the med room and was told by the teacher to select the appropriate needle for heparin admin. I was standing in there and didn't know she was being tested, so I handed her a blunt and said "I usually draw it up with this, then change the needle, because the needle and syringe are so small it doesn't draw well without it." She came out with both needles and the teacher said "What is this? SHE HELPED YOU DIDN'T SHE!" LMAO I apologized to the student for butting in!A student had taken my MAR/kardex (mardex!) without telling me, while I was still doing report. It took several minutes for me to find it, and I went to take it (she had left it sitting on a table) and the student shouted, "I was using THAT!" and tried to take it back from me.
Mar 9, '13I dont get the posters who say any communication or criticism to a student needs to go through their preceptor. Call me crazy, but when I was a student I was eager to learn from anyone who would give me the time of day!!
Mar 9, '13This is crazy!! I'm back I'm clinicals (LPN TO RN) and I can't imagine I'd ever have the clout to have another nurse spoken too! You're better off switching to another floor/Dept because you need a NM to have your back... Always!
And I don't think your tone or wording was out of line. Lets face it, we aren't always as eloquent with our wording as we'd like to be at times. Personally? I wouldn't take offense as I've had some real 'winners' say much worse at clinicals and your forced to take it with a smile. That was mild, in my opinion.
Mar 9, '13I agree that the OP's statement was very mild. And she has the right to explain the correct way to do things when a student is giving report to her.
When I was orienting, other nurses besides my preceptor answered questions for me or helped me out.
The fact that the student lied is a major red flag.
Mar 9, '13This is crazy. OP, I did not find your original statement to be harsh or inappropriate. If I were in that student's shoes, I wouldn't have taken offense. To go and turn the story around and put words in your mouth is beyond me and as Spidey's mom said, that is a HUGE red flag.
As for the student's "faults," the student's preceptor should have been reprimanded.
Any updates on the situation?
Mar 11, '13Wow. Just wow. So now you know that you need to be on top of following this nurse. I would be certain to do incident reports EACH time I found orders that are untouched for hours, bedpans under patients for longer than needs to be, and each and every major infraction. The preceptor in this case is doing the new nurse a dis-service. The exaggeration is more often than not typical behavior AT TIMES and NOT ALL the younger generation. Even speaking in a normal tone about something that needs correction can be considered "yelling". And when getting defensive, elaborating on what the new nurse thought you meant, as opposed to what you said. But you have the chart on your side for the not following protocol, nor signing off orders. I would think the time would be now to correct a new orientee's behaviors and practice prior to the nurse being off orientation. I would discuss this further with your union rep.
Mar 11, '13I'm sort of confused (as per usual...). As a current student, I report off to both the CI AND to the nurse assigned to the pt with whom I am assigned. I also keep them both abreast of ANYTHING that comes up with the patient. I give them timely VS, I&O, BGs, any changes in status, etc. Asap. I report off if I go to lunch and before I leave at the end of the shift. I consistently ask for feedback on care I am providing and hints on any additional care I SHOULD provide. I want to do as thorough a job as possible.
I am constantly asking if there is further info that I need to include in reports and if actions I've taken are appropriate (usually I ask this before taking those actions unless I already know.) I am SURE I've made mistakes, but I am happy for people to point those out as I can hardly learn from them otherwise.
Doing this protects me as much as it does everyone else since i document as I go. I just can't understand why the OP would be getting such flack. Also, I can't imagine the NM coming down on a nurse already employed at a facility and instead taking my side. What on earth for? I'm just a student - in the process of learning. I wouldn't have any political clout at a facility where I am merely doing a clinical rotation. There's got to be more to this.
Mar 12, '13Op, you did nothing wrong. I am sick of stuff like this. That is the reason why most nurses on my unit offer no advice or comments to new nurses or others when they do things dangerously or incorrectly. If i was giving a bad report, i sure wouldnt go cry to the manager that i was told about it. I would be very upset.