Nursing student lied about me to my manager, and I cannot prove it.

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I will try to make this short.

I am an RN and have been working in a hospital med-surg unit for 4 years.

Recently one of our nurses was precepting an RN student who is about to graduate. I was getting report from the student 2 times, and each time the student was handing me a chart with new orders saying she didnt have the time to look at them. She also did not follow the post-sedation protocol and did not do post-op vitals of a friesh post-surgical patient. She left a patient on the bedpan, and when a CNA and I went to change the patient, she had imprints on her skin from being on the bedpan for too long. Because it happened more than once, I said to her "This is something you need to know when you give the report". I understand that she probably did not like to hear that. However I felt that I addressed it in a neutral way, and did not go over board.

Apparently the nurse who was precepting the student went to talk to the manager. I dont know what exactly she said to her.

The manager called me at home and said she is conducting an "investigation" about my interaction with the student. I couldnt make sense how could me saying a single sentence "This is something you need to know when you give report" could warrant an investigation. Considering the big picture that as nurses we daily take care of critically ill patients, sometimes have to make critical decisions when faced with life and death situations, communicating with patients families during difficult situations, doctors, constantly changing policies etc. Every nurse who is working is such setting knows what I am talking about.

I met with the manager. When she started reading to me the statements of the student and that nurse, my jaw dropped. Apparently the student told my manager that I was so "angry, raising the voice, tapping on the chart with my pen, and then said to her "You are never going to make it as a nurse". This was the most horrible lie I've heard in my whole life. Especially because it came from a person who is about to become an RN.

I've always thought highly of nurses. This whole situation is totally unbelievable to me.

Our union representative said to me "People will say anything to divert the attention".

The manager is not willing to give me a benefit of the doubt. I said to her that I've been working for this organization for 4 years, and why is she giving more credibility to the student than me? I said I would like the student to be present at the meeting and I would like to see her repeating her statements to my face. The manager raised her voice at me and said "Lets not even go there". I dont see a way to prove to her that I never said those things.

It really bothers me that the student is probably feeling happy that she lied so shamelesly and got away with it so easily, and I am the one being punished.

I also started realizing that I am deeply disturbed by the way the manager talks to me such as showing her frustration and raising her voice at me. I feel that for the hard work that I do just as my colleges nurses I deserve better than that. Sure, I could have not said anything to the student, and there are number of ways to address the same situation, however I feel that this is a harsh punishment. What about thousands of things that I've done right, when I went above and beyond my duty, when I work without breaks and stay overtime unpaid, and never hear a word about that from the manager, but do one thing wrong, and will be immediately punished and treated as I am not a good person and a nurse.

I am looking to apply to a different unit. I dont want to work under somebody who treats me like crap.

Just an fyi...I agree. I've been having my head bit off lately. But I never get report from student UNLESS their preceptor is with them. I always ask if everything was discussed/missed. Not really OP business in lecturing student. Should have gone to her preceptor.

It still doesn't give the student the right to lie just because she got her ego bruised...

Specializes in Emergency Nursing.

I wonder if this student's school has a special connection to the floor or hospital. Maybe there is an issue of preserving relationships? (Which is ridiculous, but anyways...)

It really concerns me that several people on this thread believe only the student's preceptor can correct or instruct the student. As nurses, we educate patients, family members, staff from

various disciplines, newer nurses...but not students? That makes no sense to me.

I misread it as the student being a hired new grad. However, I still believe the OP is in the wrong. For one thing, she is not a member of this student's nursing program. She has no business lecturing this student. Rather, she should bring up the subject in an educational, constructive way. Furthermore, the student's report is not supposed to substitute for the prior RN's report. Students usually know much less about the patient than their primary RN does. As well, the OP does not possess ownership of the hospital and should rightly have no say in who gets to come to the floor. The school and hospital have an agreement and the student has as much a right to be there as the RN.

Lastly, the student is a person too and is deserving of the same amount of respect as anybody else. If the OP wouldn't say that to a senior staff member, she shouldn't be saying it to a student or new grad. If its wrong in one situation, then it's wrong in all situations.

The student needs to learn what needs to be reported. If the student is giving report to the OP, that student is both learning how to on her patient and also engaging in a relationship (student to nurse) with the OP for the purposes of that report. It is certainly the OP's role to provide feedback. Students aren't children. They are adults and as adults learning we can and should expect feedback from those already working in their field of study.

I'm sorry that this happened. It almost seems like the nurse manager is in cahoots with the student nurse. I don't feel like the OP's statement was wrong at all I would have said more. If the nursing student thinks what the OP said was bad she definitely couldn't hang at the facility I work for. I would transfer out ASAP it's not worth the aggravation of trying to make your point of view heard. The manager should know the OP better from her history of interactions with people. A nurse doesn't all of a sudden become rude when they didn't act that way previously.

Your statement was rude and condescending. How would you like it one of your coworkers said that to you? You should have phrased it as so: "I have found that it is always a good idea to check the orders prior to shift change so you can give a more complete report to the next nurse." Telling someone they "need" to do something is not okay. You are not her boss. The manager is her boss -- and yours as well. Also, if new orders come in at the very end of my shift, I probably won't acknowledge them either. I have other responsibilities at that time.

Learn from this.

I have to disagree with you...there are things that you "NEED" to know and relay to the receiving Nurse when you are giving report....and there is no reason anyone should have to sugar coat it....I think that she was afraid that it would look poorly on her so she turned it on the nurse first....

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Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.

I like how on one topic, you're arguing for equal respect for all, but in the next, respect needs to be earned... Make up your mind!

^This!!!

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.

It still doesn't give the student the right to lie just because she got her ego bruised...

^This sets up a possible pattern for questionable behavior when licensed.

I think there is more to the story. I just cannot see a NM automatically believing a student without doing an investigation first. I don't put anything pass anyone but I don't know, just seems like something isn't adding up.

I stick to my previous post, the OP should take accountablilty. What she said wasn't rude in my opinion however, we don't know how the tone was, or what her body language said. For example: I can say " you look nice today" with a smile and open posture or I can say "you look nice today" with my arms crossed, eyes rolled, and frowning.

I don't understand how people still don't know that it is not what you say but HOW you say it. I've had people give me constructive critism without being nasty about it.

If the student did lie, then shame on her and she should be reprimanded.

I think there is more to the story. I just cannot see a NM automatically believing a student without doing an investigation first. I don't put anything pass anyone but I don't know, just seems like something isn't adding up.

I stick to my previous post, the OP should take accountablilty. What she said wasn't rude in my opinion however, we don't know how the tone was, or what her body language said. For example: I can say " you look nice today" with a smile and open posture or I can say "you look nice today" with my arms crossed, eyes rolled, and frowning.

I don't understand how people still don't know that it is not what you say but HOW you say it. I've had people give me constructive critism without being nasty about it.

If the student did lie, then shame on her and she should be reprimanded.

I agree something is fishy here.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
I think there is more to the story. I just cannot see a NM automatically believing a student without doing an investigation first. I don't put anything pass anyone but I don't know, just seems like something isn't adding up.

I stick to my previous post, the OP should take accountablilty. What she said wasn't rude in my opinion however, we don't know how the tone was, or what her body language said. For example: I can say " you look nice today" with a smile and open posture or I can say "you look nice today" with my arms crossed, eyes rolled, and frowning.

I don't understand how people still don't know that it is not what you say but HOW you say it. I've had people give me constructive critism without being nasty about it.

If the student did lie, then shame on her and she should be reprimanded.

^Agree with this.

We weren't there...we don't know how the interaction happened.

However, I find that people's tone while face to face can be misconstrued as well.

The best thing the OP can do is if anything arises like this again, is to go to the clinical instructor, and let her handle it, and so should the student.

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

I still think it's far more likely that her NM sold her down the river for an office politic reason of some sort or what went on between student, the preceptor, and the manager without the OP being present for that than that she would come to an internet forum and make up a long, detailed account when she had no real reason to seek our approval.

None of us were there, but nurses get snapped at often for a variety of reasons and it's usually not personal. Stress affects our bodies and our tone of voice. The text of what she said wasn't so earth-shattering horrible, or she wouldn't have felt the need to embellish the story with lies.

Specializes in Emergency & Trauma/Adult ICU.

As I read this thread, and others, I am genuinely perplexed at how bent out of shape some get by the *tone* of another nurse. How in the world do some get through a day of patients, visitors, physicians, and other coworkers without just withering to a pile of dust? Seriously?!

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