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Nursing student lied about me to my manager, and I cannot prove it. - page 2

I will try to make this short. I am an RN and have been working in a hospital med-surg unit for 4 years. Recently one of our nurses was precepting an RN student who is about to graduate. I... Read More

  1. Visit  prnqday profile page
    #13 0
    It is not fun being lied on. If there are no witnesses then it is your word against hers. I think all three people involved should take accountablity for their actions. Start with yourself first. How was your tone? Could you have said what you said differently? It is not what you say but how you say it.
    You were right in correcting the student, I would have talked to the student's preceptor as well so everyone is on the same page. The student need to be held accountable for her actions as well. If she is overwhelmed or needed help she should ask. Leaving a patient on a bedpan is unexceptable.
    The preceptor should have been there with the student and once again should have been in on the converstation between you in the student.
    I think it is a great idea to arrange a mediation between the three of you, not sure why your manager is against this.
  2. Visit  LoveNeverDies profile page
    #14 1
    OP I am a student nurse. I do not think that you were rude at all. Perhaps you could have phrased it a little more tactfully (some people are sensitive). However, I have had MANY worse and ruder things said to me by some of the RNs. Next time this happens just mention to the preceptor that this is a weakness for the student and it is a consistent issue. That is how the nicer RNs tell our clinical instructors when we make mistakes. It might make the person more comfortable being addressed by someone she sees in an instructor roll. I am very sorry that you have to deal with this, and I hope that you get that transfer.
  3. Visit  RNdynamic profile page
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    Quote from LoveNeverDies
    OP I am a student nurse. I do not think that you were rude at all. Perhaps you could have phrased it a little more tactfully (some people are sensitive). However, I have had MANY worse and ruder things said to me by some of the RNs. Next time this happens just mention to the preceptor that this is a weakness for the student and it is a consistent issue. That is how the nicer RNs tell our clinical instructors when we make mistakes. It might make the person more comfortable being addressed by someone she sees in an instructor roll. I am very sorry that you have to deal with this, and I hope that you get that transfer.
    I would feel sorry if the OP did not bring this on herself. I hope in the future she will be more respectful when speaking to her colleagues.
  4. Visit  Twinmom06 profile page
    #16 5
    First of all the nursing student ISN'T a colleague...she's learning from an established nurse...I certainly cannot believe that you guys are blaming the OP because of her "tone of voice"...what if the pt that the student didn't get off the bedpan winds up with a pressure ulcer that the hospital will not NOT get paid for because of Medicare reimbursement? Our instructors wouldn't stand for that - nor would they stand for a student to go running to the NM like a little toady...

    That student should be ashamed of herself, as should the instructor...we are taught from the beginning of nursing school that we are guests in the hospitals, because they don't have to let us be there....
  5. Visit  nursel56 profile page
    #17 6
    Quote from RNdynamic
    I would feel sorry if the OP did not bring this on herself. I hope in the future she will be more respectful when speaking to her colleagues.
    If the OP has any fault at all in the interaction, it should stand up on it's own merits. Reasonable people don't make things up when they genuinely feel wronged. Anyone who would falsely accuse another of misconduct with the intention of bringing negative consequences beyond what actually happened doesn't belong in nursing at all.
    Last edit by nursel56 on Mar 4, '13 : Reason: to edit something
  6. Visit  redhead_NURSE98! profile page
    #18 4
    Quote from RNdynamic
    Your statement was rude and condescending. How would you like it one of your coworkers said that to you? You should have phrased it as so: "I have found that it is always a good idea to check the orders prior to shift change so you can give a more complete report to the next nurse." Telling someone they "need" to do something is not okay. You are not her boss. The manager is her boss -- and yours as well. Also, if new orders come in at the very end of my shift, I probably won't acknowledge them either. I have other responsibilities at that time.

    Learn from this.
    I'd rather have someone tell me "This is something you need to know when you give the report" than to run to my instructor or the floor manager. Personally I think she exaggerated the situation to the manager just in case she got written up by OP.
  7. Visit  redhead_NURSE98! profile page
    #19 3
    Quote from Twinmom06
    First of all the nursing student ISN'T a colleague...she's learning from an established nurse...I certainly cannot believe that you guys are blaming the OP because of her "tone of voice"...
    Seriously, especially when it's a complete assumption. "This is something you need to know when you give the report" is neither rude nor condescending. It is a factual statement. Too bad the student doesn't wish to learn anything. If I have to suffer through receiving report from a student (and later have to look up everything to make sure they were correct and didn't leave anything out, god bless them, I was a student doing this to people not very long ago) I have every right to offer constructive criticism on the report. 20 bucks says the student was "student aged." I think most find that Gen Y's don't understand or accept constructive criticism. They want everyone to tell them how wonderful they are.
  8. Visit  ShyeoftheTiger profile page
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    I don't think that student nurse is going to make it very far with that set of morals. It's too bad you didn't tell her she'll never make it as a nurse. It probably would have felt better than to have her lie about it.
  9. Visit  RNdynamic profile page
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    Quote from Twinmom06
    First of all the nursing student ISN'T a colleague...she's learning from an established nurse...I certainly cannot believe that you guys are blaming the OP because of her "tone of voice"...what if the pt that the student didn't get off the bedpan winds up with a pressure ulcer that the hospital will not NOT get paid for because of Medicare reimbursement? Our instructors wouldn't stand for that - nor would they stand for a student to go running to the NM like a little toady...

    That student should be ashamed of herself, as should the instructor...we are taught from the beginning of nursing school that we are guests in the hospitals, because they don't have to let us be there....
    I misread it as the student being a hired new grad. However, I still believe the OP is in the wrong. For one thing, she is not a member of this student's nursing program. She has no business lecturing this student. Rather, she should bring up the subject in an educational, constructive way. Furthermore, the student's report is not supposed to substitute for the prior RN's report. Students usually know much less about the patient than their primary RN does. As well, the OP does not possess ownership of the hospital and should rightly have no say in who gets to come to the floor. The school and hospital have an agreement and the student has as much a right to be there as the RN.

    Lastly, the student is a person too and is deserving of the same amount of respect as anybody else. If the OP wouldn't say that to a senior staff member, she shouldn't be saying it to a student or new grad. If its wrong in one situation, then it's wrong in all situations.
  10. Visit  ShyeoftheTiger profile page
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    Quote from RNdynamic

    I misread it as the student being a hired new grad. However, I still believe the OP is in the wrong. For one thing, she is not a member of this student's nursing program. She has no business lecturing this student. Rather, she should bring up the subject in an educational, constructive way. Furthermore, the student's report is not supposed to substitute for the prior RN's report. Students usually know much less about the patient than their primary RN does. As well, the OP does not possess ownership of the hospital and should rightly have no say in who gets to come to the floor. The school and hospital have an agreement and the student has as much a right to be there as the RN.

    Lastly, the student is a person too and is deserving of the same amount of respect as anybody else. If the OP wouldn't say that to a senior staff member, she shouldn't be saying it to a student or new grad. If its wrong in one situation, then it's wrong in all situations.
    I like how on one topic, you're arguing for equal respect for all, but in the next, respect needs to be earned... Make up your mind!
  11. Visit  Jenni811 profile page
    #23 1
    Quote from RNdynamic

    I misread it as the student being a hired new grad. However, I still believe the OP is in the wrong. For one thing, she is not a member of this student's nursing program. She has no business lecturing this student. Rather, she should bring up the subject in an educational, constructive way. Furthermore, the student's report is not supposed to substitute for the prior RN's report. Students usually know much less about the patient than their primary RN does. As well, the OP does not possess ownership of the hospital and should rightly have no say in who gets to come to the floor. The school and hospital have an agreement and the student has as much a right to be there as the RN.

    Lastly, the student is a person too and is deserving of the same amount of respect as anybody else. If the OP wouldn't say that to a senior staff member, she shouldn't be saying it to a student or new grad. If its wrong in one situation, then it's wrong in all situations.
    Just an fyi...I agree. I've been having my head bit off lately. But I never get report from student UNLESS their preceptor is with them. I always ask if everything was discussed/missed. Not really OP business in lecturing student. Should have gone to her preceptor.
  12. Visit  ShyeoftheTiger profile page
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    Quote from Jenni811

    Just an fyi...I agree. I've been having my head bit off lately. But I never get report from student UNLESS their preceptor is with them. I always ask if everything was discussed/missed. Not really OP business in lecturing student. Should have gone to her preceptor.
    It still doesn't give the student the right to lie just because she got her ego bruised...
  13. Visit  sandyfeet profile page
    #25 3
    I wonder if this student's school has a special connection to the floor or hospital. Maybe there is an issue of preserving relationships? (Which is ridiculous, but anyways...)

    It really concerns me that several people on this thread believe only the student's preceptor can correct or instruct the student. As nurses, we educate patients, family members, staff from
    various disciplines, newer nurses...but not students? That makes no sense to me.

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