Nurses eat their young - now I understand why. - page 12

I started working for a sub-acute LTC as the DSD last week. The DON and I hit it off because we have the same vision on what we need to do in order to solve the problems we current have. Early... Read More

  1. Visit  cdsga profile page
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    I guess you can ask potential employees any question you want that's in the accepted HR guidelines, but a statement about what you are looking for in a charge position which may include a focus on Core Measures, may be best to introduce the candidate to what you are focusing on. I would find out how good they are on filling out paperwork, entering data and supporting goals and benchmarks.
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  3. Visit  Abby, RN profile page
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    Marie, you are a nurse that eats her young.... you are judgmental even before giving a new nurse a chance. You are letting your experience get in the way of being a possible mentor and seeing nursing through the eyes of a new grad. So many experienced nurses are the ones with a chip on their shoulder. Did you ever stop to think maybe these new grads/inexperienced nurses come across the way they did in the interview because they are trying to impress you with what they know? I'm sorry that you think they don't know much but in nursing school nurses do not learn how to be a nurse, mostly book knowledge to be built upon on the job. I am a new nurse for only one year now and have met many "experienced" nurses that are less than welcoming and are quick to size me up on the first day with an unwelcome look and even no greeting or introduction at all. I have been eaten many times this year. I interview very well and have been offered the RN position every time. I have had four RN jobs in the past year and have been eaten every time except for my current RN job. I hope this post helps other "experienced" nurses to give all new grads hired a fair chance. Oh by the way, having a sense of humor goes a long way when "raising a new nurse", just like raising a child.
  4. Visit  bratmobile profile page
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    I have to stick up for the person who had the cruise scheduled.. I just took a position. My fiance is deployed to Afghanistan.. we have a planned vacation and prepaid for a beach condo scheduled during his 2 week military leave since January.. I wanted them to know right away that I had this planned and cannot change it so they could decide if wanted to hire me. I think it would be wrong to accept a job THEN tell them I have plans I cannot change..it doesn't just take skill to be a nurse. It takes skill and experience to be a manager and interviewer. If you would turn down someone simply because they are trying to be honest with you and give one stipulation about their acceptance of a position so you can make an informed choice perhaps the problem is not 100% with the candidates.
    Last edit by bratmobile on Apr 19, '12
  5. Visit  Merlyn profile page
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    This rant is going to be a bad one, because I am sick and tired of students in a nursing school calling themselves Nurses. You are students. You are not a nurse until you pass the boards. No matter what they teach you in Nursing School. If you don't have the license you are not a real nurse. Real Nurses don't have instructors that they can call on when they are in trouble. I put 40+ years in this business and for Dolly Dimple to come alone and Say, "I just graduated form Whoopee School of Nursing. Now I am a nurse just like you." I a slap in the face to me and the other Nurses that have put years into this profession. Now let's talk of Teddy Bears and Hugs. Oh, to remain on the thread. If the job calls for 'experienced Nurses' they mean outside of Nursing School. Maybe they do not have enough time 'to raise a child'. Following the nursing school logic. I have experience in delivering babies when I was a cop in the Air Force. I want a job delivering babies in the hospital and I am not going to take the midwife course because I know how. I deliver 2 of them. Think the hospital will hire me?
  6. Visit  Hellostudentnurssee profile page
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    To defend the veteran nurses and give hope to us new grad nurses, I would like to reiterate that there are MANY WONDERFUL veteran nurses who do NOT eat their young. These nurses are prime examples of the kind of the nurse I would want to be and admire their knowledge and experience. They were GREAT mentors that not only taught me about nursing but about life, in general. A "real world tip" I learned in school/clinical, is that for every 1 "bad" nurse, there are 10 great more. I've met very judgmental ones off the bat and I've met more who were amazing. They see themselves in me and other students and are reminded of their time when they were starting out. I do have to say that the only reasons why they would possibly eat their young is if the "new grad" comes across as cocky, arrogant, or has a "know it all" attitude, especially if they are just starting OR they're just nurses with bad character on AND off the floor (on the job and in their personal life). New grads: imagine having to be a preceptor to a student (young OR old). He/She is in their first quarter and are calling the shots and are talking to you with little respect and "much knowledge" because they volunteered at a hospital. That's horrible, isn't it? It's human nature to become irritated to that kind of personality; however, we can fix ourselves to refuse to stereotype students that come our way in the future. I'm a new grad and am currently taking a health allied class that will help with training and there are many students 19-early 20's (even one who claims she is forty something) who are very "knowledgeable" because they volunteer at a hospital. "If they only knew..." I would say to myself. I come from a family of nurses and have a good idea to know how DIFFICULT it is; I could've easily said, "no way, that's too stressful. I can't remember all those details, and I don't want to work with people all the time" but I didn't. To the veteran nurses: please keep in mind there are many new grads, such as myself that have much respect for you and for the profession. I'm more than aware I'm a novice nurse and for the first for years of my career, I'm just starting to learn what nursing is really about. I'll always learn throughout my career but these first years are key in my development as a nurse. I would be more than grateful to have veteran nurses who are respectful, caring, and knowledgeable whom I can learn from.

    Thanks everyone!
  7. Visit  bratmobile profile page
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    Merlyn that rant is beyond bad it's just plain asinine. Nurse Know It Alls with bad attitudes like yours are always intimidated by new grads (17 yrs in "this business") because chances are, you are training your replacement.
  8. Visit  deftonez188 profile page
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    Have you ever met my friend Brad Hominem? He always argues with me using irrelevant information!
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  9. Visit  Merlyn profile page
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    Quote from bratmobile
    Merlyn that rant is beyond bad it's just plain asinine. Nurse Know It Alls with bad attitudes like yours are always intimidated by new grads (17 yrs in "this business") because chances are, you are training your replacement.
    Thank You.
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  10. Visit  elle21 profile page
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    As a new grad I would never consider a charge nurse position! It's no surprise you're getting the new grads with huge egos. I want to start as a staff nurse with a great preceptor. I would feel like I'm being set up for failure as a charge nurse in an long-term care facility. How many patients would I be responsible for? I also know nothing about core measures. I do know what they are because I grabbed an extra core measures sheet from the hospital, but we were told to worry about that after nursing school when we got a job. It's not nursing school material. I'm graduating in a few weeks and while I think it's ridiculous some of the positions I see want experience because they aren't that complicated, this is one position that should require experience.
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  11. Visit  Teacher Sue profile page
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    Although I agree with what you are saying, the OP is not an experienced nurse. According to other posts, she just passed her boards a few weeks ago. Her arrogance and condescending attitude, however, are evident in many of her other posts as well. Interesting that a young nurse is advocating eating your young. Wierd.

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    Quote from Abby, RN
    Marie, you are a nurse that eats her young.... you are judgmental even before giving a new nurse a chance. You are letting your experience get in the way of being a possible mentor and seeing nursing through the eyes of a new grad. So many experienced nurses are the ones with a chip on their shoulder. Did you ever stop to think maybe these new grads/inexperienced nurses come across the way they did in the interview because they are trying to impress you with what they know? I'm sorry that you think they don't know much but in nursing school nurses do not learn how to be a nurse, mostly book knowledge to be built upon on the job. I am a new nurse for only one year now and have met many "experienced" nurses that are less than welcoming and are quick to size me up on the first day with an unwelcome look and even no greeting or introduction at all. I have been eaten many times this year. I interview very well and have been offered the RN position every time. I have had four RN jobs in the past year and have been eaten every time except for my current RN job. I hope this post helps other "experienced" nurses to give all new grads hired a fair chance. Oh by the way, having a sense of humor goes a long way when "raising a new nurse", just like raising a child.
  12. Visit  Teacher Sue profile page
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    It's not only asinine, it makes no sense at all, grammatically, or in the context of this thread.

    Quote from Merlyn
    This rant is going to be a bad one, because I am sick and tired of students in a nursing school calling themselves Nurses. You are students. You are not a nurse until you pass the boards. No matter what they teach you in Nursing School. If you don't have the license you are not a real nurse. Real Nurses don't have instructors that they can call on when they are in trouble. I put 40+ years in this business and for Dolly Dimple to come alone and Say, "I just graduated form Whoopee School of Nursing. Now I am a nurse just like you." I a slap in the face to me and the other Nurses that have put years into this profession. Now let's talk of Teddy Bears and Hugs. Oh, to remain on the thread. If the job calls for 'experienced Nurses' they mean outside of Nursing School. Maybe they do not have enough time 'to raise a child'. Following the nursing school logic. I have experience in delivering babies when I was a cop in the Air Force. I want a job delivering babies in the hospital and I am not going to take the midwife course because I know how. I deliver 2 of them. Think the hospital will hire me?
  13. Visit  Merlyn profile page
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    Quote from Teacher Sue
    Although I agree with what you are saying, the OP is not an experienced nurse. According to other posts, she just passed her boards a few weeks ago. Her arrogance and condescending attitude, however, are evident in many of her other posts as well. Interesting that a young nurse is advocating eating your young. Wierd.

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    No, it's not weird. As W. C. Fields said when asked,"Bill do you liked children?" He said," Depends how they're cooked."
  14. Visit  cdsga profile page
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    Honesty is always the best policy-tactfulness also. People interviewing know that people have lives outside of work. There are reservations that cannot be changed. If they want to hire you they will be willing to wait until your trip is over. If it's a crisis, and they turn you down, then it's probably the best for you. If they are inflexible with a hire date, then their needs trump your plans, or they will be very inflexible in the future. Read it however you wish. I think this post is taking a bad turn. Toodles. Have enjoyed it up to now.


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