Lazy, demanding staff - page 5
What ever happened to strong work ethics?... Read More
Mar 2, '03Originally posted by l.rae
some of my pet peevs are managers who exploit good staff because they are too ineffective to deal with the poor staff.....l can't stand those sticky notes ie warnings of the latest transgression shape up or else...these totally turn me off.... means management is to lazy to address the guilty, just get everybody with one mean swipe....do you even know what you are doing to the moral of the staff members who feel like they are so drained from working like dogs cause management can't /won't do their jobs?....and this is setting an example how?
katfoster complains loudly about the staff, and if everything alledged is true...do you understand how inadequate this makes YOU?.....and then there are the managers who actually cowtow to their special friends who are usually the worse transgressors of all......ok, and this motivates staff how?........l would say to you, get over it and manage....that's what YOU are getting paid for!
Mgmt and administrators are the ones who got nursing into the mess it's now in.
You all made your bed, now you are lying in it. Comfy?:chuckle
Mar 2, '03I have learned my lesson. I've given a company and a supervisor my loyalty, and worked myself like a dog- never saying no when asked to work OT, never missing a meeting, even tho I'd worked all noc and the meetings were in the middle of the day.
The employer used me, and threw me away.
I will never do that again. My loyalty is to myself and to my patients.
The employer does not figure in the equation. All I consider them is an entitiy that provides the building in which I work.
Mar 2, '03keep in mind the retirement age is going up
and with our growing national debt
will be going up again*
*Alan Greenspan suggested an acceleration of increased retirement age just last week
Mar 3, '03hmmmm work ethic?? I have always thought myself to have a good work ethic. I have been in the workforce for 31 years. And I have been in the medical field for 20 of those years, 9 as a nurse.
In my dept right now, we are extremely "manager intensive" we have a fairly new manager, who apparantly felt he was overworked?? so he has hired 2 additional "clinical managers" and add to the already existing 2 clinical managers, makes 5 administrative employees in one department!
Now the problem, these managers are figured into staffing! Guess what? now we are understaffed by working RN's because 4 of them are managers. And most of the managers spend more time out of the department than they spend IN the dept. It is such a mess, I am not going to get into all of the problems, but it has created such chaos and horrible working conditions that people are now quitting or transferring out.
Its not always just the staff nurses that have bad work ethics.
Mar 3, '03HELLLLLO Nurse, you took the words right out of my mouth!! You must work for the same hospital that I do!!
I, too, have been so burned by management that I have NO loyalty to the dept.
Mar 3, '03boy, i could ride the fence on this one so long i could get saddle sore
i do see the work ethic going down hill. it seems increasingly easier to look around and see people came to work, but dont seem to work as little as possable. these are the people you can not find when things needs to get done now.
. the ones that look busy, but if you ask them what they are doing or watch them, they aren't really doing anything that would not take over 2 min. for the regular smoe to do.
the ones that have time to huddle in the corner and gossip...compain....and spend much time demining other staff.....and all the while acting very important.
i do believe this to be a small minority of nurses, however they do lend a bad reputaion to all nurses, in the eyes of management.
the behaviors they display are also contagious, because after all ,the nurses that are working hard eventually get pretty fed up with them and attitudes go down hill.
with all of this said i do also agree with i.rae it must be soooo much easier to deal with the people with the good work ethic. one of our managers is actualy dealing with the people that have a poor work ethic, it has been facinating to watch. i would no more want to be in middle mangagment that the man in the moon. it has got to be a thankless job. i hope the nurses this manager has approached open their minds enough to listen to what is being said. they may loose their jobs. most are not bad nurses, not bad people, just somewhere lost their prospective. if managment had not taken action, or worse yet did the post it thing blaming everyone, then they would have been poor managers. making the nurses take responsibilty for their own actions, i'm sure is being viewed by some , as somehow displaying poor managment. yyuup would not want to be in management.
Mar 3, '03Originally posted by JMP
I think we all have to do "what we have to do" . [/B]
Mar 5, '03Mario
HELLOOOOO??? As many other times when I have read your posts, I have no idea what you are saying. But unlike many other times, you are addressing me and my post.... so what is your point exactly so I can understand your meaning????
Mar 5, '03wonder where the original mngmt posters went....just figures doesn't it?????
Mar 5, '03
WOW! How did this original post go from a vent over a loss of work ethics to complaining about sorry management???
I have to say that I have worked with nurses, management and support staff ranging from housekeeping to maintenance staff that have gone the extra mile and worked very very hard. I always tried to do my absolute best and go beyond the "job description".
However, I have also worked with people (nurses included) who have complained about how they don't get paid enough to do what's being asked and refuse to do it, staff who says "that's not in my job description" when asked to maybe change a bed or escort a patient or take a message, and management who was absolutely clueless and believed that a floor is run straight from the book without any real world experience.
I know nurses, for the most part, work very hard. Long hours. Low pay. No time for a bathroom break much less a lunch break. Sore feet and backs and headaches. Stacks of charting, patients all wanting you at the same time, and a supervisor who wants to know why you can't get it done all in 8 hours is FRUSTRATING to say the least.
I think we should step back and cool our emotions and realize that not all co-workers or staff are top gun hard working people. There ARE lazy people out there who do the bare minimum to get by and complain about their checks while doing it. THOSE are the ones I believe the initial poster is complaining about. It isn't about a specific situation it's about an ongoing atmosphere and general work ethic that's the problem. Regardless of whether the original poster is an administrator or a CNA, the same type of problems affect each level of employment.
Just my two cents and I'm sure I'll take some heat from it but that's alright. :chuckle
Mar 5, '03My question to the original poster ( and any other administrators) is: How often do you throw on a set ofand jump in to help on the floor when things are slamming? The adminstrators I've seen get the most respect and the best performance from their staff are the ones that do so.
Mar 5, '03From Management:
I give bedside care daily, throughout the day. How often do I work an entire shift on the floor...rarely. If I'm doing my job keeping the place staffed...I have no need to cover a shift. I assist throughout the day with physician's orders, admissions etc., and physician rounds. I honestly wish I had more time for this. But it was not why I was hired. I was hired to keep things running as smoothly as possible.
It is our policy at our facility, that everyone answers call lights. So I'm in and out of residents rooms all day long toileting, repositioning etc.
BUT...I'm also in my office doing scheduling, ordering, staffing, admission referrals, talking with union stewards, counseling to patients and staff, organizing ancillary services, speaking to families about issues - mostly helping them adjust - interviews, writing quality assurance action plans, and dealing with last but not least corporate BS.
I'm sure the larger the facility, the less time any management person has to spend with direct patient care. At least that's been my experience with ranging from 50 bed facilities -which allowed a ton of time- to facilities over 200 bed - to much less time. My current facility is 160 beds.
I work an average of 50-55 hours per week, of course I'm paid for 40. My usual hours are 8a - 6pm, and I try to make it in on 11-7 shift at 5a at least once per week. I'm on call 24/7, I've been at this facility 21 months now, and I'm rarely called now. It took a long time to get here. Things were slammin on a daily basis back then....now it just seems to be on Fridays
Oh well...you just got a glimpse of my life.