Impersonating a Nurse - Page 6
Register Today!- Nov 19, '12 by nhnursieWhat drives me NUTS is when there is a news report of malpractice or other terrible thing and because they are in health care they are automatically called a nurse.....many times they are not but the headlines scream "nurse kills....embezzles...." etc and often they are NOT a nurse but an aide/tech etc. Don't get me wrong, it is even MORE embarrasing when it IS a licensed nurse but it just irritates the pooh out of me when the assumption is made they are an RN becasue they were scrubs and work in health care.
- Nov 19, '12 by nguyency77Quote from nhnursieMy friend just showed me an article over Facebook where some "nursing student" allegedly killed a patient (in South America) by giving her coffee and milk, intravenously. I'm not sure if the person was even a nursing student. She could have been anyone from the dietary to housekeeping, or a visitor wearing scrubs. Scrubs equal nurse, right?What drives me NUTS is when there is a news report of malpractice or other terrible thing and because they are in health care they are automatically called a nurse.....many times they are not but the headlines scream "nurse kills....embezzles...." etc and often they are NOT a nurse but an aide/tech etc. Don't get me wrong, it is even MORE embarrasing when it IS a licensed nurse but it just irritates the pooh out of me when the assumption is made they are an RN becasue they were scrubs and work in health care.
I am just a nursing student. I don't go about giving medical advice as though I were an MD. I don't insist to my neighbors that if they ever get into legal trouble, I could represent them in court and actually win their case as though I were an attorney! I don't try to arrest people for disorderly conduct as though I were a police officer.
Then, why is it that people keep calling themselves nurses when they in fact, are not?ColimaDog likes this. - Nov 19, '12 by StinkMomBombWhen Iused to go to PT, the TECH used to introduce himself as a PT Assistant... it drove me nuts!! This guy couldn't even do his tech job accurately. He had no idea the training it took to be a PTA but I did.
- Nov 19, '12 by OCNRN63Quote from ColimaDogFocus on what's most important factor: she may be passing herself off as a nurse when she is not. The tats, excessive makeup, piercings and bad spelling are not relevant; there are plenty of nurses out there just like that, and to the best of my knowledge, BONs don't tend to care about that stuff.She has a nurse fantasy and fetish, I guess. She just posted on Facebook that famous picture of a sailor kissing a nurse in Times Square - with a comment saying that this was her in a former life. This posting triggered comments by her minions suggesting that she wear her nurse's uniform, etc. Clearly her friends on social media believe that she is a nurse. Of course, until this job, if someone said they were a nurse, I believed them too! If she wants to be a nurse so badly, why doesn't she just go back to school? Oh, I forgot, she can't spell or write a sentence. That's a problem!
Stick to the main issue. - Nov 20, '12 by ColimaDogQuote from OCNRN63As far as the BON, my complaint only mentioned her claims to be a nurse vs. her actual credentials, and offered evidence supporting that. I understand that the BON cares nothing about these issues. I've already submitted this complaint, in writing, with evidence and witness names attached.Focus on what's most important factor: she may be passing herself off as a nurse when she is not. The tats, excessive makeup, piercings and bad spelling are not relevant; there are plenty of nurses out there just like that, and to the best of my knowledge, BONs don't tend to care about that stuff.
Stick to the main issue.
My company, on the other hand, is constantly drilling into us proper dress code, proper language, proper conduct, and professionalism - so it is in their best interest to weed out employees who do not present a professional demeanor or practice professional conduct. In addition, I can't imagine that they would endorse conduct such as routine discourteous and demeaning treatment of subordinates, as well as other clearly inappropriate behavior. Although, to be fair, their number one concern should also be around her claims to be a nurse as well - but from what I understand now, they were already aware of this and chose to do nothing.Last edit by ColimaDog on Nov 20, '12 - Nov 20, '12 by jadelpnI am confused as well. The bottom line to all of this as I can figure is that online she is claiming she is a nurse, however, has never said it to your boss, never said "I am the nurse in charge" at the workplace, never said to a patient " don't speak to her, speak to me, as I am the nurse".....
Stop cruising online for all of this. You are grown, been a nurse for a long time, and this is not something I would perseverate on. Online people can say just about anything they would like to about themselves. So unless she is "I am a nurse for such and so company use us..." or your boss makes a habit of looking at the social media pages of their employees (and some do) then I think you are obsessing over something that is part of an internet world, and not the real world. If she has seniority and is supervisory capacity over non-nursing duties, again, why is this an issue. If her demanor is not ideal, that would be what would make me unhappy. That her apprearance is not professional is not your concern, but your bosses, and if they are not calling her on it......
It is clear that you do not like this person, and you are extremely annoyed by her. If you all worked in a place that was all nursing, no non-nursing, she was identifying herself as the nurse at the jobsite of same then you could bring this up to the boss. But since this is not really happening anywhere but on social media, I would apply my energies elsewhere.
And just because someone is tatooed, pierced, and listens to gangster rap doesn't mean a thing. You come off, meaning to or not, as being far too jugemental.
And as a complete aside, in some forums (MD offices for example) in some states, the MD makes a call as to who they want to have be their "office nurse" who they oversee, train, and let do just about anything they would like them to, under their own licences and malpractice. Who is the primary MD who oversees your place of employment? Does this MD allow the MA's to do some things that classically nurses only do? (give injections for instance?). For all you know, the MD has given direction to the offending employee to act on his behalf on treatments. I would also be more concerned if I were having to delegate to this employee--as a licensed nurse--as I would not want the responsibility of directing unlicensed personell who perhaps are not clear on whatever scope they have in your place of employment. So let her have at it then--you don't have to be responsible for her mishaps..... - Nov 20, '12 by jadelpnQuote from ColimaDogI may be the only one, but seriously. To spend all that time and energy and resources to complain against someone when your only proof is internet postings......this is just sad.As far as the BON, my complaint only mentioned her claims to be a nurse vs. her actual credentials, and offered evidence supporting that. I understand that the BON cares nothing about these issues. I've already submitted this complaint, in writing, with evidence and witness names attached.
My company, on the other hand, is constantly drilling into us proper dress code, proper language, proper conduct, and professionalism - so it is in their best interest to weed out employees who do not present a professional demeanor or practice professional conduct. In addition, I can't imagine that they would endorse conduct such as routine discourteous and demeaning treatment of subordinates, as well as other clearly inappropriate behavior. Although, to be fair, their number one concern should also be around her claims to be a nurse as well - but from what I understand now, they were already aware of this and chose to do nothing. - Nov 20, '12 by ColimaDogThere is no physician onsite. We work off site, in the field. She supervises everything, not just non-nursing duties. She tells us how to take blood pressure, how to perform venipuncture, how to give injections. At every step of the way she is hovering over you telling you that you are doing everything wrong (because you do it differently from her). She's a bully, plain and simple.
If it were simply a matter of her being insecure and wanting her friends to think she is a nurse, I would not waste my time on it. But she is unprofessional and embarrassing (middle age year old professionals who are the manager should not have rap ringtones at work or attempt to use rap and ebonics at work, and she is not African American). And normally I would not care one iota about her personal choices and appearance, but our employer constantly reminds us that we are to wear pressed clothes, clean hair, little makeup, minimal jewelry, no visible tattoos or piercings, polished shoes, etc.
So yes, in this case, where the rest of us are following the dress code, shouldn't she? And she does look extremely unprofessional, and acts unprofessionally as well. It's not one thing, it's the whole package. In addition, she is constantly micromanaging, over controlling, hyper critical, and demeaning to the rest of the staff (even to MSNs).
When she's not busy attempting to make us feel incompetent and reprimanding us loudly in front of patients, she is laughing far too loudly and on her phone texting her boyfriend (who is now also our boss) or loudly discussing inappropriate topics at work (like how she told us in detail how she applied to be a cocktail waitress on the set of a porno movie) and checking in on Facebook. She makes us all miserable.
Why should I not be able to point out that not only is she "impersonating a nurse", but that she also consistently breaks every rule the rest of us follow, from dress code to not using our cell phones at work. On top of that, each boyfriend she gets ends up working here too, and they also end up being supervisors (as supervisors can recommend non-supervisors' promotion).
So it is not just about her Internet profile - that by itself would be nothing - it is a combination of things that make it miserable to work under her, including the fact that she IS violating the law by claiming to be a nurse - not just online but in person as well, to patients, colleagues, and clients. In the event of an emergency, she could endanger a patient. That has happened before at our work - where non-nurse "leads" responded inappropriately to medical emergencies.
As an example, one lead attempted to feed a patient having a seizure. Another attempted to give an epinephrine injection to a man who was not having any sort of allergic reaction whatsoever. If it weren't for the nurses present, these non-medical leads would have done these things! I get along with everyone else at work, and I don't care what their title is as long as they do a good job and treat everyone with respect and courtesy.
I am always polite, courteous, and professional at work - even to this person! f I am sad, it is because my otherwise pleasant and enjoyable job is now miserable because of this horrible bully. If any of us did any of these things, we would promptly be fired.Last edit by Esme12 on Nov 21, '12StinkMomBomb likes this. - Nov 20, '12 by ColimaDogQuote from jadelpnShe claims also, in person, at work, that she is a nurse, has a nursing degree, and has a nursing career. She also directs the real nurses who work under her on how we do our nursing duties. It is not just a matter of Internet postings.I may be the only one, but seriously. To spend all that time and energy and resources to complain against someone when your only proof is internet postings......this is just sad.
The only reason she did not tell our employer she was a nurse is because she's smart enough to know that they would have attempted to verify her license. Thus, she avoided the one guaranteed way to be caught impersonating a nurse - yet still gets to "pretend" to be a nurse, in her social life AND at work supervising actual nurses.
I guarantee you that if you had a supervisor who was an MA, and that supervisor was claiming to be a nurse when she wasn't, and that supervisor constantly told you how to be a nurse (and how you know nothing and are doing everything wrong), you would be upset too.
And imagine if your "boss" then got her boyfriend (a high school graduate and waiter/cook) hired and quickly promoted him to boss as well?
And imagine if the MAs, CNAs, LNAs, and phlebotomists that you worked with were unable to handle an emergency situations and that it was left to you to 1) respond appropriately and 2) to keep these non-nursing staff from doing unsafe things, and 3) it was your license on the line in the end.
Would it be "sad and pathetic" for you to be upset over the situation in it's entirety?Last edit by ColimaDog on Nov 20, '12 - Nov 20, '12 by Esme12I an not sure what the hierarchy of your work situation is but as I previously stated she can not supervise your nursing practice but she can supervise you and personnel issues. If I was in this situation I would have to make a choice.....put up with the situation or speak up and be ready to leave.
Me personally I would go to the highest person there at the clinic or your medical director. State my case. Tell them that I cannot put my license at risk nor allow the public at risk. There are states that have mandatory reporting laws that if you see dangerous conduct or inappropriate conduct you must report or you are as guilty as the offender.....and can be held as responsible. I would ask for the situation to be rectified or you will be forced to go to the state. Unless you have already, like you said, gone to the state. I am not so sure I'd be giving out such detailed information about the situation on a public internet site so it can be seen by the general public forever.......but that is just me.
I would start looking for another position. I wouldn't play party to this....period.
StinkMomBomb and ColleenRN2B like this.