How in the freaking world are you a nurse??? - page 4

I work with a nurse who is not a new grad, she had been nursing for 5+ years and is 40+years old. She is just plain incompetent. Doing narc count with her is like doing narc count with a monkey who... Read More

  1. Visit  joanna73 profile page
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    I would agree with limiting the number of exam attempts. I have read various posts on here such as, "after the 8th time I passed the NCLEX." Excuse me???

    Us Canadian nurses are allowed 3 attempts. After the 3rd attempt, you're done. Time to go back to school again.
  2. Visit  Kieshia profile page
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    I'm glad people like you are why I got into this in the first place people who learn what they need to and retain it.
  3. Visit  xtxrn profile page
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    Quote from lindarn

    Right now, the public may say in a poll, how much they love and respect us, but the truth be told, they think that we are a bunch of overpaid, whiny, women, to do nothing but hand our ice water, pass a few pills, and complain about our lousy work .

    JMHO and my NY $0.02.
    Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN
    Somewhere in the PACNW
    Never heard anybody (even mad patients) refer to nurses in this way. I've dealt with entitled jerks who treat everyone like that, but not specifically nurses.... They may get tired of waiting for something, not like the food, hate the cable line-up, think the people from lab decide their own hours to come stick them, think that PT is cruel, find OT exercises idiotic, etc.... not knowing what the reasons are (which comes back to patient education from any department).... but I never heard anybody think nurses were overpaid....whiny.....only capable of delivery services... complaining... or think we felt our work was lousy.....

    Any nurse fitting that description doesn't deserve to fill out an application for employment, let alone actually get a job. If someone feels that way- FINE- but the patients should never hear anything that would substantiate that feeling about nurses.
    Note-- I didn't say anybody shouldn't feel whatever they want-- don't read into this.... just that patients have no business dealing with a nurses' personal issues w/his or her job.

    Wow.
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  4. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    Quote from lindarn
    . . . It is too easy to get into nursing school. The program it too short, which encourages not the best and brightest to go into nursing. "IN TWO YEARS YOU CAN HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE AND A TERRIFIC CAREER IN THE NURSING FIELD!".

    As far as I am concerned, the main reason the PTs, OTs, increased their entry into practice, was to keep out the truly unmotivate/unqualified, from entering the profession. And keep their numbers down and their need up. Instead as in nursing, flooding the profession with newbies, which is very definately driving down wages, benefits, power ,etc. And making jobs scarce. Everything that has been expressed on this listserve.

    An increased entry into practice would cut down on ALOT of applications to nursing schools, and truly only admit the best and brightest. I am NOT saying that anyone who does not have a BSN is stupid, or unworthy of becoming a nurse. What I AM saying is that nursing is attractive as a career because you CAN have a decent paying career in two years. And YES, it does take longer to get through the program if you take longer to take pre requisites finished. But the public sees a two year Associates Degree as entry into practice, as opposed to a Masters and Doctorate for OT and PT. It attracts the wrong kind of people.

    It IS in our best interests to petition the ANA to increase the entry into practice as a matter of survival.
    I don't think the ANA has the power or authority to do that. I'd say as a matter of fact it is the ANA that has relentlessly spearheaded the campaign to make a BSN the minimum entry-level degree before you can take the NCLEX and get licensed. It's up to the individual state legislatures to change those laws. One state passed "BSN in 10" but later on they repealed it.

    All these ads I see for "☞get your BSN online in only [FONT="Comic Sans MS"]16 months with ☀☀no classroom time☀☀ !!" etc are a lot more worrisome to me than someone who has an associates from a traditional brick, mortar and clinical group model but nobody seems to think there is a problem there so I'll shut up now. I know I do better and enjoy school in a classroom environment and online courses seem dry and torturous to the point I want to scream or take a nap. But maybe that's just me and some are better than others.

    There are many reasons someone would choose the associate's route. I disagree that it attracts the wrong kind of people. Over half of our working nurses have an associate's degree. I think it is the current economy that will have the greatest effectiveness in raising the percentage of BSNs because with so many applicants right now. When I started they were desperate for nurses. Now they are "churning them out" on an assembly line.
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  5. Visit  Daisy_08 profile page
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    I know this post went off on it's own, which is fine. But I wanted to add that this woman is crazy, but not the kind that would hold up in court. But quite frankly I don't give a fly'n fig! I quit! hasta la vista, baby! I have a great job now that I love. I will not miss that place.
    Thank you and goodnight!
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  6. Visit  sasha2lady profile page
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    I dont think I'd want to work the same shift with her for sure! I work with a few sort of like her, but not to the degree that she is. We have a really old nurse who's always had others to basically do her work for her....so she's clueless and gives you report from several days ago if the report sheets are left where she can see them.
    Some others I work with are just plain mean. When I say mean....they are mean in and outside of work. Hateful, spiteful, obnoxious, and do a seriously sloppy job.
    yet......because they can pass boards......here they are....out and about all over the place working taking care of sick folks.
    I keep telling myself....."these idiots will get the same care they give in their careers. Hopefully worse.".....and I truly hope they get back what they give others.
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  7. Visit  Hygiene Queen profile page
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    Quote from Rob72
    Perhaps making NCLEX a 1, or not more than 2, time pass affair? Raising the entry GPA to a 3.4 or 3.8? I think that is a more credibly realistic measure of potential and performance than paying 3 times as much for a degree with the same scope of practice.
    I agree.
    Anyone can get the 2.5 GPA required to get into our program. I think that is ridiculous!
    Let's face it, prereq's are not that hard!!
  8. Visit  Mukfay profile page
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    Originally Posted by Rob72
    Perhaps making NCLEX a 1, or not more than 2, time pass affair? Raising the entry GPA to a 3.4 or 3.8? I think that is a more credibly realistic measure of potential and performance than paying 3 times as much for a degree with the same scope of practice.
    Quote from Hygiene Queen
    I agree.
    Anyone can get the 2.5 GPA required to get into our program. I think that is ridiculous!
    Let's face it, prereq's are not that hard!!
    The prereqs are a lot like Federal taxes. Although it's the same class (and the same rate), they're really actually different depending on where you go to school (live).

    Some schools' prereqs are a cakewalk. In others, the teachers don't believe in giving A's at all. In some, 86% will get you a C, and in others you have to be in the "below 80" range. Just like taxes. there are places in the country where $60,000 is a lot of money, and others where you couldn't afford to live in the most inexpensive home, or even a studio apartment for that.

    And as to the NCLEX, although they put a lot of effort into it, I'm not sure it is an indicator of a safe nurse. So I'm not sure that I agree with the thesis that a person who fails it twice would not be a good nurse (or that someone who nails it in 75 would be).

    Regards,
    Mukfay
  9. Visit  Tori11 profile page
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    What in the devil? Sounds like a sociopath. I would not be able to tolerate her ignorance.
  10. Visit  Mukfay profile page
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    Quote from Daisy_08
    I work with a nurse who is not a new grad, she had been nursing for 5+ years and is 40+years old. She is just plain incompetent. Doing narc count with her is like doing narc count with a monkey who is trying to be bad at it, I mean come on second graders could do a better job. She does not get treatments done, is pathetically slow to respond, sometimes does not respond at all (a pt was found on the floor at shift change with a head injury and she wanted to finish report and count narcs while the pt was on the floor) I told this nurse her pt was asking for nitro and having chest pain-she didn't know what nitro spray was!!!! And said the pt was lying about the chest pain, she never did VS or any assessments. For two person changes she just stands there, I have to tell her what to do, once she even asked me what to do with a dirty pad! I noticed one pt had 4 med patches on one night and asked her if she takes one off before she put on another, she said its not her job (maybe she thinking of the little nurses fairy who comes around and does things like take of patches, gets water and warm blankets).She can be very nice, always greeting me nicely, but she can turn on a dime. If you question her on anything, or tell her she missed something she blows, yelling and screaming about how we are all equals and she knows how to do her job half the time I don't even know what she is talking about her words are English, but her sentences are incomprehensible. The next day its like nothing ever happened. I refuse to work with her now if I can help it, if they call me I always find out if she is one before I say yes.

    So, have you ever worked with anyone who you are shocked made it through middle school let alone nursing school???
    What shocks me is that, although you're a nurse, it hasn't occurred to you that there might be some pathology here. Does this lack of judgement and knowledge seem normal to you? Why is the first response (and apparently later responses too) anger and chagrin rather than concern?
  11. Visit  mz.snuggly1 profile page
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    Quote from Mukfay
    It's easy to criticize and complain about this dangerous situation. I recognize your need to vent about it. It's terrible and difficult, and it must be very frustrating for you. As nurses, it's important to recognize possible pathology in our coworkers. If it is pathology, it has to be addressed.

    As others have said, it might be a mental illness for which the nurse is not taking medication.

    But it also might be... an undiagnosed psych issue. In this case this person needs help and not anger. We're in this together, and we have to take care of one another.

    I see that you've tried to help this nurse by correcting mistakes. If it's a psych issue, this nurse may need more than just bringing mistakes to this person's attention. This person may be afraid or unaware of his/her own situation, and therefore defensive.

    It's a lot of responsibility that you never asked for, but it has to be addressed.

    Good luck with the situation, and try to hang in there. We'll be thinking about you.

    Regards,
    Mukfay
    WELL SAID!
  12. Visit  Lynx25 profile page
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    Quote from Mukfay
    What shocks me is that, although you're a nurse, it hasn't occurred to you that there might be some pathology here. Does this lack of judgement and knowledge seem normal to you? Why is the first response (and apparently later responses too) anger and chagrin rather than concern?
    Our co-workers are NOT OUR PATIENTS! I have enough to do without having to worry that about my co-worker's issues. Sorry if it's harsh, I'm sorry if there IS an issue, but please, tell me why I must be the one to deal with it. This does not sound like the OP noticed a sudden change in condition, it sounds like a chronic failure to function as a nurse.
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  13. Visit  caliotter3 profile page
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    Unintelligible English? I wonder if she is having TIAs. I'm surprised her supervisors haven't required that she get a medical checkup. Maybe a little hint to the right person would be in order.
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