Horizontal Violence - EMT's and Paramedics VS LPN's and RN's

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Ok, so I'm a male nurse. I worked hard to get where I am in my career and consider myself not only competent but an exceptional nurse. Unfortunately the EMS personnel I encounter from the field, the first responders, fire fighters, emt's, and paramedics just don't seem to have the smallest amount of respect or even professionalism for nurses period.

A simple youtube search will confirm this if you have any doubts. It seems as though these people have some sort of angst towards nurses. They refer to us as "waitresses" and "unable to think for ourselves". As previously stated, I worked hard, very hard to become a nurse. So I take offense to someone who think's I'm just the doctor's *****...

I have experience in ED, LTC, and Med/Surg. Not a ton in any certain area, but I feel a well rounded and balanced resume. Still as a LTC nurse, when I call the squad, after talking to the family, the patient, and the doctor, the EMS personnel still seems to perisist that I am an idiot. I don't send pts to the hospital unless it's really necessary, yet they act like I'm wasting their time. The last pt I sent had an NSTEMI, and the EMS responders seemed to think their was nothing wrong and no need to transport the pt. I've also had a pt c/o a broken neck and the EMS personnel thought it was a joke, took no spinal precautions, made the pt get up and transfer himself to the guerney. It turns out he did have a broken neck, and then the medic tried to lie about putting a cervical collar on. It really disturbs me in my experience that people ho can be so uncaring and incompetent will call out nurses. It's been my experience that the EMS personnel are in the wrong almost always, yet they continue to insists that nurses are idiots.

Anyone else experience this kind of crap? I mean really!! The local FD has tried to recruit me for years as an EMT, but I have never done it, just because I don't have the time. I've even taken the NR EMT-B test and passed with flying colors. It's first semester nursing school kind of ****. With less difficult questions and even easier answers.

I find it offensive and flat out wrong the image these "heroes" try to pursue, especially when most are nothing more than taxi's to medical appointments. I feel as though they've already diagnosed the pt before even seeing them based on nothing more than their ignorant opinions/bias.

The smart ass comments never cease either. Their famous line is "we'll have um back in a few hours" or "there's nothing they're going to do". It just really infuriates me the brash obnoxious and flat out ignorant attitudes these folks have...

Thoughts? Experiences?

Wow, for a bunch of "kind compassionate nurses" you all sure are pretty nasty!!!! And I have to say even before I went into the medical field for employment and saw how nasty and stuck up nurses can be towards EMS, I had horrible experiences with rude, arrogant, condescending nurses when I was a patient in the hospital for surgery on my back. Maybe its because your butthurt about the fact that your MDs boss you around all day while you change old people's GI bleed diapers. I don't know what it is, but I will say that most of the EMS personnel I have ever worked with have always been very fun, modest, friendly, and know where they stand education-wise and have no problem with it. (most of them don't have Master's degrees if you know what I mean) EMS and fire rescue personnel don't go into the field for reputation or money, or any kind of "heroic" status. (Obviously, if an EMT-B is willing to work with blood, guts, vomit, poop, and other disasters, for sometimes less than $10 an hour) But when I was in college, I would sometimes speak to the lofty nursing students who walked about in groups with their noses in the air and ask them about their career decision. All you hear is about how much money they will be making by the time they are 40, and how smart their tough homework assignments make them feel. So maybe when all you fantastic nurses on this page are talking about how rude EMS personnel are, you are seeing their reaction to experiencing such a hostile environment every time they walk into an ER, and its just so sad that all these nurses who go through so much hard schooling, and get payed more than a decent amount of money to work here, are so rude and stuck up towards patients, and the cheerful EMS crew. :up:

Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.
Maybe its because your butthurt about the fact that your MDs boss you around all day while you change old people's GI bleed diapers.
Welcome to Allnurses.com!

The overwhelming majority of nurses do not have MDs as bosses, nor are we bossed around by MDs. I just wanted to make that friendly clarification. :)

Once, before becoming a nurse (and before getting married, lol) I went on a date with an EMT. He told me they see truly horrible things (like he said he saw the aftermath of a toddler who was raped by moms bf for example). After seeing so many horrible or stressful things (think car accidents), you might come off harshly after awhile yourself! I dont think they get paid very well, either!

Specializes in Med-Surg.
Welcome to Allnurses.com!

The overwhelming majority of nurses do not have MDs as bosses, nor are we bossed around by MDs. I just wanted to make that friendly clarification. :)

There are a few more clarifications I wanted to make on that gem of a post, but I thought heck, it's 5am, and I'm too tired to write a mod-appropriate response lol.

I will summarize my thoughts by bringing up the story of a certain pot and a certain kettle. Butt-hurt about not bring doctors? In the words of the fabulous George Takei: 'Oh My'.

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