Denied employment at agency due to ordered prescriptions - page 6

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  1. Visit  SionainnRN profile page
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    I am absolutely behind the hospital for recinding their offer of employment based on either the physical or drug screen. Just imagine OP that something happens at work, you fall or get hurt in some way or a patient complains about your performance, and you have to have a drug screen and it comes back positive. Do you know how horrible that makes the hospital look? Especially if a patient was injured?
    And to everyone saying that people have the right to take medications prescribed to them by their doctor, that is true, but not everyone has the right to work as a nurse. Just because you have worked hard and are smart, doesn't mean you get your dream. Sometime physical limitations win out over dreams.
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  3. Visit  hhayes11 profile page
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    I am sorry to hear that you were denied employment. I think you should look further into what happened to you and possibly consult a lawyer--i know there are always certain situations that can warrant an employer to deny employment, but the law states that if you have a prescription and a provider's note stating you are able to safely work then you cannot be denied employement or have a job offer withdrawn or the business has committed a violation of the disability act. I have read other people's comments and I disagree with almost everyone. I think it is easy to judge when one obviously has no personal experience of needing a prescribed medication; comparing a prescription medication to alcohol is just ignorant. People who abuse prescription medications or those who are not taking them for the appropriate reason are a threat to taking care of people in a nursing setting; however, someone who is taking the medication responsibly and no one would even know they are taking anything by talking to them is a completely different situation. It sounds like you are taking your prescription responsibly and it is unfortunate you were treated the way you were and I truly hope you seek legal advice in this matter. If you went in for an interview slurring your words and acting "impaired with cloudy judgement'' it would be understandable to not offer you the position, but what you describe is plain discrimination. If everything you wrote it true about your performance as an RN then I would rather have you be my nurse than someone who is not taking any medications but has horrible bedside manner and barely passed boards. Don't give up and fight for your right to be treated like every other fortunate nurse that has no health issues requiring prescription medications.
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  4. Visit  hhayes11 profile page
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    SionainnRN---Licensed RN's who have active licenses without ever being investigated or suspended have just as much of a right to work practicing nursing as you do. It is truly ignorant and unfair that so many people think that a person who has a medical condition that is out of their control should not be able to work if they require a prescription. If someone on a prescription fell and had a drug test, they would not test positive if they have a prescription so get your facts straight. I think it would be more of a liability if someone quit taking their needed medications to get hired and then something bad happened that could have been prevented if they had their needed medications. I agree that people who act impaired or have cloudy judgement should not be hired to take care of sick patients, but nurses who take their prescriptions responsibly and no one would have even guessed they were taking prescriptions because they behave as any other person not taking a prescription should not be treated differently. Prescribed medications CAN affect one's judgement and cause side effects such as drowsiness, but as nurses we should all know that they do not affect EVERY person that way. I have been prescribed an opiate for 10 years because I have a bladder disease that has no cure and is only managed by controlling my symptoms, which is constant pain. I never take more than what is prescribed to me and I never take more than I need to--I take enough to control the constant pain I have to the point where it is bearable so that I can function like any other person and I am an excellent nurse. I did not ask for my chronic condition and I do what I have to so that I can work and take care of my patients and be a good mother. No one should have any negative opinions about me unless I harm a patient because I was "impaired" which I have not ever been and not ever done. If you met me and interviewed me for a position you would not believe that I took prescription medications and I pride myself in that I only take what I absolutely have to and that it doesn't impair me in any way--I understand the ignorance in most people because I have seen many people who abuse their prescriptions and/or are not taking it for the right reasons and this is unfortunate, but people like me and the nurse who started this discussion should not be labeled the same just because we require a prescription for conditions that we did not cause or ask for and wish we did not have.
  5. Visit  SionainnRN profile page
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    Quote from hhayes11
    SionainnRN---Licensed RN's who have active licenses without ever being investigated or suspended have just as much of a right to work practicing nursing as you do. It is truly ignorant and unfair that so many people think that a person who has a medical condition that is out of their control should not be able to work if they require a prescription. If someone on a prescription fell and had a drug test, they would not test positive if they have a prescription so get your facts straight. I think it would be more of a liability if someone quit taking their needed medications to get hired and then something bad happened that could have been prevented if they had their needed medications. I agree that people who act impaired or have cloudy judgement should not be hired to take care of sick patients, but nurses who take their prescriptions responsibly and no one would have even guessed they were taking prescriptions because they behave as any other person not taking a prescription should not be treated differently. Prescribed medications CAN affect one's judgement and cause side effects such as drowsiness, but as nurses we should all know that they do not affect EVERY person that way. I have been prescribed an opiate for 10 years because I have a bladder disease that has no cure and is only managed by controlling my symptoms, which is constant pain. I never take more than what is prescribed to me and I never take more than I need to--I take enough to control the constant pain I have to the point where it is bearable so that I can function like any other person and I am an excellent nurse. I did not ask for my chronic condition and I do what I have to so that I can work and take care of my patients and be a good mother. No one should have any negative opinions about me unless I harm a patient because I was "impaired" which I have not ever been and not ever done. If you met me and interviewed me for a position you would not believe that I took prescription medications and I pride myself in that I only take what I absolutely have to and that it doesn't impair me in any way--I understand the ignorance in most people because I have seen many people who abuse their prescriptions and/or are not taking it for the right reasons and this is unfortunate, but people like me and the nurse who started this discussion should not be labeled the same just because we require a prescription for conditions that we did not cause or ask for and wish we did not have.
    I'm sorry you feel that way but I stand by what I said last year. Just because you are prescribed a medication doesn't mean you can work as a nurse on it. If I get prescribed Vicodin and drive on it and get pulled over, guess what? I'll probably get a DUI. Doesn't matter that I have a prescription. Same with work. There are many jobs, some in nursing, that you can do with a narc prescription but I don't think hospital nursing is one of them.
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  6. Visit  morte profile page
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    I think the difference is acute vs chronic use. If someone is on a stable dose, it is way different than acute/episodic dosing.
    Quote from SionainnRN
    I'm sorry you feel that way but I stand by what I said last year. Just because you are prescribed a medication doesn't mean you can work as a nurse on it. If I get prescribed Vicodin and drive on it and get pulled over, guess what? I'll probably get a DUI. Doesn't matter that I have a prescription. Same with work. There are many jobs, some in nursing, that you can do with a narc prescription but I don't think hospital nursing is one of them.
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  7. Visit  generalRN2008 profile page
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    It may be a hospital policy for them. Some places say it has be used only minimal ,8 hours prior to shift to ensure it clears your system. You may want to seek legal counsel
  8. Visit  MB.rn profile page
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    People are so narrow-minded when it comes to certain topics... I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks. I have an Rx for Xanax 0.5, which I usually only take for sleep. But this one day i on my shift, my anxiety was at an all time high, was in the midst of a panic attack, which i usually just try to power through. But this day i decided to take my xanax. And it was incredible what happened. The veil was lifted, i was back to normal and not just functioning, but thriving. I could think again, and saw things clearly. It was truly amazing. It wasn't until i removed the anxiety that i was able to see just how debilitating it was on my judgment, social skills, and every aspect of the job.

    ANXIETY IMPAIRS JUDGEMENT. That is a proven fact. Research is plentiful. Go find me the research behind the "belief" that 0.5 xanax would impair judgement on a person who is used to the dose, and takes it for the management of anxiety. Yes if i popped 4 of them, then there would b a problem.

    People who don't know what anxiety is like and have never taken a low dose of xanax therapeutically are ignorant on the subject, and really can't say that it would impair ones judgement. So when i read the opinions of the auto-naysayers who are throwing out judgments bc of their "value" that drugs are bad, i respectfully ignore them!
    Last edit by MB.rn on Jan 18, '14
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  9. Visit  SionainnRN profile page
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    Quote from MB.rn
    People are so narrow-minded when it comes to certain topics... I suffer from anxiety and panic attacks. I have an Rx for Xanax 0.5, which I usually only take for sleep. But this one day i on my shift, my anxiety was at an all time high, was in the midst of a panic attack, which i usually just try to power through. But this day i decided to take my xanax. And it was incredible what happened. The veil was lifted, i was back to normal and not just functioning, but thriving. I could think again, and saw things clearly. It was truly amazing. It wasn't until i removed the anxiety that i was able to see just how debilitating it was on my judgment, social skills, and every aspect of the job. ANXIETY IMPAIRS JUDGEMENT. That is a proven fact. Research is plentiful. Go find me the research behind the "belief" that 0.5 xanax would impair judgement on a person who is used to the dose, and takes it for the management of anxiety. Yes if i popped 4 of them, then there would b a problem. People who don't know what anxiety is like and have never taken a low dose of xanax therapeutically are ignorant on the subject, and really can't say that it would impair ones judgement. So when i read the opinions of the auto-naysayers who are throwing out judgments bc of their "value" that drugs are bad, i respectfully ignore them!
    So you're saying your anxiety is so bad it impairs your judgement? And we should be ok with you working like that? If you are impaired you are a danger to your patients. If your anxiety and panic attacks are so debilitating that you say you're impaired at work, maybe you need to go into a different field of nursing. One where people's lives are in your hands.
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  11. Visit  RNwithHonors profile page
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    Hello all. Its been a few years since Ive posted on this topic, but I felt looking back I owed a status update to all those who supported me.
    There are a few things I want to cover, but,
    First let me say that Ive remained at the same Hospital in which I successfully started at in June of 2012.
    Not only that: but I've thrived, just as I did in RN school

    (for those of you who keep telling me that it doesnt matter how exceptionally well I did in RN school/clinical: I respectfully disagree because statistically history has a way of repeating itself)

    I can tell anybody with full confidence, who has judged me with blunt rude comments or passive aggressiveness--That I have NEVER been written up as a working RN, never have caused harm to one patient, and last but not least, I not only moved up the ranks of becoming Charge Nurse---But now Im a newly promoted Nurse Manager as a member of my Hospitals Administration, overseeing 4 different units in the hospital (approximately 150 Nursing Employees).

    I brag for the purpose of spiting every last RN here who judged someone like me...
    Furthurmore as I am one of those responsible for hiring and firing at my Facility, and I truly hope that any rude poster comes my way begging for a job one day... I promise to give you what you deserve, give you what you have coming--which would be NOT simply evaluating your prospective talent or liability factors as if I were an RN assessing a patient in a "focal manner". Instead, I woukd take the time and effort to give you a fair chance at working for at the Hospital that so wonderfully gave me the chance I deserved.
    Never did I initially believe I would be a member in Administration consulting with Risk Management and the CEO on a fairly regular basis, regarding the development and accoubtability of the Nursing Department, but I never gave up or saw myself as "less than"(just like that quack MRO from the "Puritan Facility"
    did).

    Also since attaining a secure job, my anxiety decreased significantly, and now Im completely off the benzos (for over a year now). Sure if I were to take them now, which is when I no longer "need" them it would probably make me drowsy--but I never took them because I wanted to get anything more than healthy productivity.
    (So in other words im compliant with the prns, because as I have no need--I never take!!)

    I just needed to vent that out to all the narrowminded "improvisationally confident" judemental RNs who ever commented coldly about me, and hey, maybe you work for me--and you will never know it, because I wont treat you with the disdain you showered me with. (Its a small world


    Now then, to every good Nurse who also believed in me: thank you for giving me the support I needed to help me realize my dreams to come true!!!!!
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  12. Visit  nursel56 profile page
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    Thanks for the update, RNwithHonors. Nothing speaks so loudly as results in real life. Congrats on your promotions, and wishing you continued success.
  13. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Congratulations....((HUGS))
  14. Visit  Graduatenurse14 profile page
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    That's great!! Congrats!!! I hope that all of the ill-informed and rude posters see how far you've come!!


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