"Nurses Are So Mean"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. Nurses Relations Article

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I wish I had a dollar for every post I've read claiming that "nurses are so mean," "nurses are nasty to each other," "nurses eat their young" or "my preceptor is picking on me for no good reason." And then if you add in all the nurses who are "fired for NO reason" or is hated by their co-workers because they're so much younger and more beautiful than everyone around them or just can't get along with their colleagues no matter what they do -- well, I'd be a rich woman. I could retire to Tahiti and lounge on the beach sipping margaritas and eating BON bons. Or whatever. You catch my drift.

I'm beginning to believe that the nurses, nursing students, new grads and CNAs who claim that everyone is being mean to them are revealing far more about their own character than they are about the people around them.

It's A Pattern

It's usually pretty much a pattern -- someone who is new to nursing, new to a specialty or new to a job posts a plaintive lament about how everyone they work with is just so MEAN. Often times, when the poster goes on to describe the situation, it's just that they had a negative interaction with one nurse -- and often just that one time. It's as if no one is allowed to have a bad day. There are no allowances made for the colleague who may be a bit brusque because they've been up all night with a cranky baby or a wandering parent with dementia or their dog just died or even -- heaven forbid -- they're weary of answering that same question over and over without any learning occurring.

People Have Bad Days

It's just one of those things. We cannot all call in sick every time we've had to stay up all night with a child or parent, put the dog to sleep or take antihistamines. We can't all not come to work every time the sewer backs up, the roof leaks or the car won't start. Some of us on any given day have worries and responsibilities outside the job. If you happen to encounter a colleague on the day she discovered her husband was cheating on her, her child crashed another car or the space heater fried a whole circuit they might just be rude to you. They probably don't mean it, possibly don't even realize they WERE rude to you. Cut them some slack. Even preceptors have really bad days when nothing goes right. If you're looking for nurses eating their young or being mean and nasty to their co-workers, you'll find them. Whether or not they actually ARE young-eaters or mean nurses.

"Coworkers Are So Mean To Me"

Another common theme is a poster complaining about how mean her new co-workers are to her. She's never done anything to deserve it, she's always been pleasant and helpful and she thinks (or someone has told her) that they're picking on her because they are just so jealous of her relative youth and beauty. I'm suggesting that if that's what you believe -- that you're perfect, but your co-workers are jealous of your youth and beauty -- you ought to perhaps look a little deeper. Much of the time, there will be another reason that you're not getting along with the people at work. Perhaps you're not being as friendly and helpful as you think. Perhaps you're not carrying your full share of the workload, or aren't learning despite asking the same questions over and over or are rude to people you perceive as "old dogs who ought to retire" or "ugly old hags."

If you're writing in to complain that "mean people follow me everywhere" and "I've had five jobs since I graduated six months ago, and my preceptors have all been nasty" or "nurses eat their young and I know that because I'm always being eaten," stop and think for a minute. If the same problem follows you everywhere you go, it may not be them. There's a good chance that it's YOU. You can change jobs as many times as you like, but everywhere you go, there you are. Since the only person you can change is YOU, stop and think about what you might be doing to contribute to your problems. A little self-assessment and introspection can only be a good thing.

"Nurses Eat Their Young"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. When I grew up and learned more, my co-workers became much nicer people. While I know that lateral violence does exist, I don't think it exists to the point that some people seem to think it does. Or to the degree that a regular reader of allnurses.com could believe it does. Every time you have a negative interaction with a co-worker, it's not necessarily lateral violence. It could very well be that someone is having a very, very bad day. Or week. Or it could be that rather than your co-workers being jealous of your extreme good looks, you're regularly doing something really stupid or thoughtless that irritates or annoys them. Quite possibly, the problem is you. Maybe you're not studying enough, learning enough, understanding enough or doing enough. Certainly if you're always having the same problems over and over again, everywhere you go, the problem IS you.

The only person you can "fix" is you. I really, really wish that people would at least consider the possibility that they are part of the problem before they scream that "nurses eat their young."

yes everyone has bad days i agree, but i thought part of the nursing profession was to help people. not just patients but coworkers. part of the definition of nursing is teaching. if a nurse gets tired of answering the same question for the 100th time maybe they should rethink their position. part of nursing i believe is not to bring your bad mood to work with you, or if you do because i know thats an impossible task, try to mask it the best you can. no one deserves to be spoken down to, new or not. patient, clinical student, or seasoned RN..

Specializes in OR, Nursing Professional Development.
yes everyone has bad days i agree, but i thought part of the nursing profession was to help people. not just patients but coworkers. part of the definition of nursing is teaching. if a nurse gets tired of answering the same question for the 100th time maybe they should rethink their position. part of nursing i believe is not to bring your bad mood to work with you, or if you do because i know thats an impossible task, try to mask it the best you can. no one deserves to be spoken down to, new or not. patient, clinical student, or seasoned RN..

I don't think that anyone has an issue with answering questions, the issue is the same person asking the same question, and not retaining the knowledge they should be learning with an answer to the question. Maybe it's something complicated they don't get with the first time, but when it's the 8th, 25th, or 99th time someone has answered the same question for that question, red flags should start to appear.

I currently work with a nurse who truly scares me. Fresh out of nursing school, and some of the things she's asked me how to do (multiple multiple times) are things that are nursing 101. Honestly, I don't understand how she graduated nursing school without knowing (and this is just one example) how to spike and prime an IV bag. Our pumps are also heavily covered in hospital orientation (2 weeks) and in unit orientation (minimum of another 6 weeks). So she's now been on our unit for 6 months, and still doesn't know this? Red flags are flying.

hi there,

it seems there are two different issues being discussed - one is bringing a bad attitude to work (and I agree with normajean, as nurses and professionals, we need to set the tone and the example of being positive, and continue to be the best we can be, even on bad days - because as the saying goes, it all trickles down, especially if you are teaching or being an example for new nurses!)

The second issue being discussed is a nurse who is not 'getting it' - or perhaps being enabled in some way to be helpless. A nurse educator colleague of mine discussed this issue in class, of a new nurse who consistantly did not learn how to do IV insertions, and was having the other nurses do it for her ( for a whole year!!) Half of the problem was that the other nurses were enabling her, and the other half is that the new nurse was not taking ownership of learning how to do it for herself. A situation like that needs to be addressed and rectified - quickly. If the nurse is truly incompetent - she may need to look for another line of work. If the issue is lack of confidence or high anxiety levels - that can be addressed by a positive mentoring partner for a period of time to help this nurse gain the skills she lacks. But it needs to have a set time, and a goal, it can't drag on for months and months.

I see this as a different issue than new nurses who may be asking a question several times because they are newbies, and overwhelmed with an avalanche of new information. Let's face, we have all been there and done that. We should be kind to those who follow in our footsteps!

We have all been the 'novice to expert' many times over in our careers, and if we keep learning and growing, it continues to be a revolving door, and that feeling of being a novice should keep us just a little humble!

JMHO

Annmarie

Specializes in telemetry, med-surg, home health, psych.

back to the original post........there are no "mean nurses"...

just nurses that have seen a lot, been through a lot, and maybe have toughened up some...and yes, some of us have little patience for a new grad that cannot seem to grasp basic skills.......we do try to help, but enough is enough....

On the whole, most new grads I have worked with have done well.......

i use to think nurses were mean until my first clinical rotation...

:stdnrsrck: Looks like an interesting read. Well I'm absolutely agree that no can help you out as long as your not bothering about yourself. If that's does not happens then end of the day you end up with blaming the co-workers, the boss and even to the job also. And its not sounds good if your dumping your garbage on everyone else by being rude. It better try to deal with the problem, Find a friend to confide in, get a counselor, just learn to leave the attitude at the door.

Good advice Bert33. Sometimes you have to let the small stuff roll off your back. And the funny thing is - if you confront the really mean people, often times they crumble because they are weak inside. They are just bullies on the outside. The first time I confronted a young smart-mouth nurse for telling me to 'get off my fat ass and take care of the call light' - I turned around and told her - in a very professional manner, that her language was inappropriate and unprofessional - she broke down in tears. It was too funny. This is the same nurse who acted like she knew it all, but would stick a patient 6 or 7 times to start an IV, then ask for help ( I would go in to the bedside and try to start the IV on her patient) and would find uncapped bloody IV needles all over the bed. Some people are all bluff and no substance. Sometimes you have to call their bluff.

Specializes in ICU, wound care, burns, HIV, ID.

Though I agree with most of what you say (and disagree with those who criticize you for venting a bit), I think it is undoubtedly true that many experienced nurses are ill-prepared to be preceptors. Precepting is a specialized skill that takes a great deal of patience and a clear awareness of learning styles and the varying abilities of the nurses one is training. Just because you have been a nurse for many years, even an excellent one, doesn't mean you will be any good at precepting. I have even considered that there should perhaps be a special certification for being a nurse preceptor, except that the last thing we need is one more thing to be certified for!

Specializes in OB/GYN.

I have to say that having worked in a number of places and seen many new nurses coming in to their first jobs, there is plenty of criticism and too-high expectation, especially in specialty areas in hospitals. I have worked for many years with nursery nurses who openly called other nurses idiots, new or not, because they didn't have the depth of experience or knowledge in the nursery. I have seen the same behavior in labor and delivery nurses everywhere, and especially there, the "old" nurses all seem to think that if the "new" nurse makes any mistake, they're the one that takes the fall for it, even though the "new" nurse has a license and even may have experience. I have had orientees complain that my coworkers and I were "mean" for intervening in a situation where urgent action was required and they were either too inexperienced or too dense to notice that something needed doing right then. And I have been mistrusted just because I was new, and it was expected, always, that I prove myself before anyone would trust me with my own patients, much less theirs while they were on break. I have had very few collegues actually show me something to help me gain a skill or learn something without a tone of voice that didn't communicate that they thought I was stupid because I didn't know what they were showing me. Nobody knows everything and learning is ongoing. Very little of that behavior had anything to do with whether their kids were giving them trouble, they had marriage problems or car trouble. It almost always was a professional thing. Enough of those orientees were older than me that blaming youth and beauty for their perceived persecution would be completely invalid. There were plenty of times when I was older and more experienced than my orienter, and still got the mistrust. I'm an excellent clinical nurse by my own and others' measure and I still have seen and received plenty of clinical criticism, aside from the interpersonal nit-picking and back-biting that goes on. There have always been cliques and good-old-girls clubs in every hospital I've worked at. Some of that crap had to do with ethnicity. Yes, we go to work to earn a living while performing a service that fulfills needs and satisfies both us and our patients, and we usually have no choice about who we work with. It isn't realistic to expect that everyone we work with will be astute, fast, efficient, kind and selfless every minute regardless of what's going on in their personal life, nor that work is a place to socialize. It is realistic to expect that everyone will do their job, pull their weight, and practice safely. If we hold the same, realistic expectations of ourselves and our coworkers and treat each other fairly, always, that would go a long way toward changing the perception that nurses are "mean."

I'm still just a nursing student but I completely agree that nurses can be mean. Through no fault of a nurse, people completely try to take advantage of a smart person and their mind because they don't want to use their own mind.

With all due respect, Ma'am, the economy and the corporations etc are doing us a favor. They are helping us identify who has integrity and who does not.

Yes, definitely, but not necessarily the way you mean. I currently work for an employer (but not much longer, I hope!!) that runs off all the good, competent, honest people and not just keeps but promotes and indulges the sorry losers. The worse example of a nurse you are, the brighter your future with this organization. I've never run into so many nurses in one place (including throughout the administration) that make me embarrassed to be a nurse.

Specializes in Dialysis,M/S,Home Care,LTC, Admin,Rehab.

In hindsight, which as we all know is 20/20, I used to be one of those "scary nurses" raising red flags everywhere. In 1988, my kind unit manager took me into his office. I cried. I had the skill, yet lacked the confidence. I was trembling at the thought of performing a simple "Nursing 101" task. Once I felt as though I had a safe platform where I could actually share that with someone without feeling as though I was a burden or dissapointment, or ruining someone's (that preceptor's) day, I flourished. It is a big scary deal, and we have all been there. Perhaps approach can be considered, and the preceptor's expectations could be modified, within the scope of your facility's policies. Perhaps the "scary nurse" would be better off with another preceptor. Perhaps, that flag raising nurse is on this site or another forum venting about how "scary" her preceptor is. It is also fair to say that some individuals just clash. You could be the preceptor for someone who's company you would not necessarily seek outside of a work situation, and vice versa.:twocents: