"Nurses Are So Mean"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. Nurses Relations Article

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I wish I had a dollar for every post I've read claiming that "nurses are so mean," "nurses are nasty to each other," "nurses eat their young" or "my preceptor is picking on me for no good reason." And then if you add in all the nurses who are "fired for NO reason" or is hated by their co-workers because they're so much younger and more beautiful than everyone around them or just can't get along with their colleagues no matter what they do -- well, I'd be a rich woman. I could retire to Tahiti and lounge on the beach sipping margaritas and eating BON bons. Or whatever. You catch my drift.

I'm beginning to believe that the nurses, nursing students, new grads and CNAs who claim that everyone is being mean to them are revealing far more about their own character than they are about the people around them.

It's A Pattern

It's usually pretty much a pattern -- someone who is new to nursing, new to a specialty or new to a job posts a plaintive lament about how everyone they work with is just so MEAN. Often times, when the poster goes on to describe the situation, it's just that they had a negative interaction with one nurse -- and often just that one time. It's as if no one is allowed to have a bad day. There are no allowances made for the colleague who may be a bit brusque because they've been up all night with a cranky baby or a wandering parent with dementia or their dog just died or even -- heaven forbid -- they're weary of answering that same question over and over without any learning occurring.

People Have Bad Days

It's just one of those things. We cannot all call in sick every time we've had to stay up all night with a child or parent, put the dog to sleep or take antihistamines. We can't all not come to work every time the sewer backs up, the roof leaks or the car won't start. Some of us on any given day have worries and responsibilities outside the job. If you happen to encounter a colleague on the day she discovered her husband was cheating on her, her child crashed another car or the space heater fried a whole circuit they might just be rude to you. They probably don't mean it, possibly don't even realize they WERE rude to you. Cut them some slack. Even preceptors have really bad days when nothing goes right. If you're looking for nurses eating their young or being mean and nasty to their co-workers, you'll find them. Whether or not they actually ARE young-eaters or mean nurses.

"Coworkers Are So Mean To Me"

Another common theme is a poster complaining about how mean her new co-workers are to her. She's never done anything to deserve it, she's always been pleasant and helpful and she thinks (or someone has told her) that they're picking on her because they are just so jealous of her relative youth and beauty. I'm suggesting that if that's what you believe -- that you're perfect, but your co-workers are jealous of your youth and beauty -- you ought to perhaps look a little deeper. Much of the time, there will be another reason that you're not getting along with the people at work. Perhaps you're not being as friendly and helpful as you think. Perhaps you're not carrying your full share of the workload, or aren't learning despite asking the same questions over and over or are rude to people you perceive as "old dogs who ought to retire" or "ugly old hags."

If you're writing in to complain that "mean people follow me everywhere" and "I've had five jobs since I graduated six months ago, and my preceptors have all been nasty" or "nurses eat their young and I know that because I'm always being eaten," stop and think for a minute. If the same problem follows you everywhere you go, it may not be them. There's a good chance that it's YOU. You can change jobs as many times as you like, but everywhere you go, there you are. Since the only person you can change is YOU, stop and think about what you might be doing to contribute to your problems. A little self-assessment and introspection can only be a good thing.

"Nurses Eat Their Young"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. When I grew up and learned more, my co-workers became much nicer people. While I know that lateral violence does exist, I don't think it exists to the point that some people seem to think it does. Or to the degree that a regular reader of allnurses.com could believe it does. Every time you have a negative interaction with a co-worker, it's not necessarily lateral violence. It could very well be that someone is having a very, very bad day. Or week. Or it could be that rather than your co-workers being jealous of your extreme good looks, you're regularly doing something really stupid or thoughtless that irritates or annoys them. Quite possibly, the problem is you. Maybe you're not studying enough, learning enough, understanding enough or doing enough. Certainly if you're always having the same problems over and over again, everywhere you go, the problem IS you.

The only person you can "fix" is you. I really, really wish that people would at least consider the possibility that they are part of the problem before they scream that "nurses eat their young."

Change the culture of nursing by supporting eachother...it takes all of us not just one person . You can be serious about your work without being serious about yourself. If you feel your energy lapsing try and find someone who needs a helping hand, give a word of support or be a good ear and MAKE THEIR DAY....FISH !

I would like to add a few points. Yes, It is evident that we as nurses have difficult days . However, have you not heard of the saying " LEAVE YOUR BAGGAGE AT THE DOOR ". If you do walk through the door and see that you have a student nurse working with you today embrace them and pass on your knowledge.

For these student nurses or graduate nurses were just like you when you begun your nursing career. It's not hard to be nice to people and being disrespectful is just not on. If you personally have an issue then speak to a counsellor outside of work hours or take some days off. These so called 'Young Nurses' may very well be looking after you or your family members in the future. Remember this " People will forget what you said and forget what you did but they will never forget the way YOU made them feel".

Nurses are seen as mean because they are. I've been in the field for 10 years now and have seen that no-one will screw you faster then another nurse. I heard somewhere that if one person says something you can generally dismiss it, but if a lot of people are saying the same thing it MUST be at least worth thinking about. In my experience the nurses who will try to defend nurses who behave badly are usually the ones that are behaving badly. There is a lot of arrogance and favoritism in the field of nursing and the only nurses that can get away with acting this way are the ones that are friends with the managers and charge nurses. It's so like a mean nurse to turn it around on the nurses that speak up about it and make it about the nurse that will verbalize there experience with mean nurses. I think that the nurses that are mean are calloused unhappy people who need to feel better about what they do by making others feel bad about themselves or by being the Dr's "best friends." You mean nurses don't need the Dr's approval, you need the camaraderie of your fellow nurses. Blaming new nurses or students for being offended at bad behavior is exactly what mean nurses do. That takes the focus off the bad behavior and then just addresses the symptom of the problem and not the problem. We as nurses know what happens when you ignore the problem and only treat the symptoms. Shame on you for your post.

Specializes in ICU/CCU.

My sister had been a nurse for 5 years when I told her that I had been accepted to nursing school. She told me that it was a mistake, that I was too sensitive to function with other nurses. It was the first time that I had heard the saying, "Nurses eat their young." Before nursing, my sister had been a police officer. She told me that although her cop co-workers were mostly jerks, nurses were even worse. She worked as an ED nurse for around one year and then had a baby, quit, and never went back--not a problem for her as her husband is an attorney and they can live on his earnings. If I tried nursing and hated it, I would not be able to lean on anyone else for financial support; I would be stuck in a job I hated.

I ignored my sister's advice (lifetime habit), and now I have been working as a nurse for 3 years, which is two years longer than she actually spent on the job. Yes, there are hurdles, and not everyone was as welcoming as I would have wished them to be, but the environment is nowhere near as toxic as what she warned me about. In the end I decided that my sister's advice said more about her own personality than anything else. She has never been happy at any job. Her co-workers have never lived up to her high and inflexible standards. She will accept nothing less than perfection from anyone, including herself. Her personal life is characterized by interpersonal conflict as well. I can't imagine my sister as I know her being able to function in my ICU. She would be a magnet for discord.

Hospital nursing is stressful and usually thankless. Nobody is perfect, and even the best nurses make mistakes. The only way to make it work is to function as a team. You can have awesome clinical skills and/or care deeply for your patients' welfare, but if you are unable to play well with others for WHATEVER reason, you will have a crappy time of it as a nurse.

I think that we do a disservice to students and new nurses to keep warning them that "nurses eat their young." If that is what they expect, then that is what they will experience. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Nurses are most definitely Not Mean. The only people who would say so are: 1) People who haven't been around long enough to know, and who cares what a bunch of new kids think anyway, 2) People who have been around too long, and who cares what a bunch of burn-outs think anyway, or 3) People who have so many personal problems that they can't see that They are the ones who are the source of the meanness.

What are really irritating are the people who fit in all three categories at the same time.

If the issue keeps coming up, then there might be the teensiest of possibilities that there might be some truth to it; and instead of getting all defensive about it, maybe we should try to fix the problem and not the blame.

I am sorry but here is a story. a nurse got written up in wa. another nurse gave a statement that i dont want to work on weekends anymore with t. when asked why said "im afraid that she will call the state on me" when asked why he believes that she might do something to him, he explained that in the past she has made calls to the state over things that he thought could have been handled by asking a few questions of the resident and employee. this statement went into the nurses file. but what he didnt say was at the time the dns said to this nurse you need to call the state. he report to her she did her job. it seems in his statement he left out alot. but he looked good. the nurse was never informed this statement was placed in her file and she was fired

Specializes in telemetry, med-surg, home health, psych.

those who have thought they were treated badly before.........ain't seen nothin yet !!!!!!!!!!

With all the budget cuts and staff lay-offs due to the BIG CORPORATE owners of the hospitals, we now have nurses cutting each others throats in order to keep their jobs............actually spying and writing others up to make themselves look better to the head honches........all to save their own jobs...........

how said that it has come to this................I can only blame the economy, and owners of the corps.....

With all due respect, Ma'am, the economy and the corporations etc are doing us a favor. They are helping us identify who has integrity and who does not.

Specializes in med surg, geriatric, clinical, pool.

Its not what I think that matters, its what needlessly happened to me. I do think you are right about one thing, bad things seem to follow certain people like myself. I think I have gullable written on my forehead.

I am talkative and a lot of people don't like that, so I did have to learn to shut up! and just do my job. I found my patients and colleagues both liked me. I just couldn't seem to get along with the 2 head nurses. I wasn't fast enough at getting vitals signs and asked, "what are you doing down there, fluffing pillows?" Well yes, if that is what my patients want me to do. These 2 women did nothing but sit and eat the entire 11-7 shift! Once I was to going to answer a light, she saw me coming yet she walks right by the room and says, "you need to get this light", duh!

One evening on 3-11 a pt had got stuck in his bsc, so when he called me later that same night, I got an orderly to come with me to his room and let him use the BR. OMG! You would have thought I commited a sin! This head nurse could not wait to write me up because I went against the cardex/standing orders! The man refused to use his BSC! I mean this nurse had me all written up and told me to come read and sign it, I told her I would not because the pt refused and she said, "well you got yourself out of this one."

Another night I was busy in another pt's room, another new RN asked me to get Baseline Vitals so she could start a transfusion. By the time I got to the room she had already started it! I was going to get the vitals, but because she had already started the transfusion, she blamed it on me. I was green. Years later I found out that the nurse who starts the transfusion should have gotten the vitals, not me! I carried this blame for years. It was finally another NICE RN who told me the truth. I just hated the fact that I was being lied to and they wanted to blame me for their lack of inadequacies. I have more stories about this hospital, including the one where another RN from another floor called me onto the elevator one night and personally told me that this certain nurse would continue to "be on my back until I either quit or tranferred to another floor." HOw do you like that for mean? Is that mean? What do you call this kind of behavour?

Yes, I do believe that certain people, for some reason of their own, call it lack of: confidense, ego, beauty (they did dress in scrubbs, I did not, I dressed in white and always wore a pressed lab coat), have a inner problem of their own, lots of bad days and for this reason people like myself are targeted!

Come on these nurses had 28 & 30 yrs experience on me! This was my first job. Even the other nurses noticed how I was being targeted, so it was not just me. Actually, I thought it was just something they were doing to make me tough or possibly see how tough I was. I had nothing against them. NO reason to, so what was their problem?

annmarie, age 58, NP for 15 years, nurse for over 25 years,

I agree with many of the opinions, but there does seem to be a little defensiveness in some of the comments.

Here is my take on this, as a 'seasoned nurse of age 58'. I was once a young and attractive nurse, and naive. I had a preceptor who was almost ready to retire, walked with a limp, I'm sure was in constant pain, and mercilessly tortured me. Why? I don't know. I almost quit nursing because of her. She picked on me, was rude to me, singled me out. It was the associate director of the program ( who I went to in tears when this 'sourpuss' dismissed me from clinical one day for being unprepared - notwithstanding the fact I had just had a death in the family and still showed up) that talked me into staying.

Through the years there have always been 'the young and entitled' - and this pertains to med students as well, whom I have had the privilege of herding during clinic. The young and entitled cannot do more than one thing at a time, get upset when you ask them to do a second thing - because it's just too much, or they were'nt expecting it ' like 'see another patient? but I haven't presented this first patient yet?' - but more like this will cut into their gossip session or internet surfing time.

But let's not overlook the fact that there is still serious incivility present in our academic institutions and workplace. Not only incivility - there is violence as well. Recently in the news there was a shooting in a hospital in CT where an elderly patient pulled out a gun and attempted to shoot a nurse - a male nurse, a former military man, jumped to the rescue, and was shot in the leg and disarmed the patient.

There is real violence and real incivility in our society. Bad things happen to all of us. But as professionals, we should leave it at home, and put on our professional demeanor, and NOT take it out on our patients, our co-workers, or family members.

If things are that bad, please go to EAP and sort things out. It's not ok to dump on other people. Yes, it happens, but as the saying goes, it all just trickles down. . . and creates a really bad workplace mileau.

Let's not make excuses for being 'martyrs' or being the perpetrators of incivility. I think nurses, as professionals, are much better than that.

Stiff upper lip, smile, then go to the gym. Join a kick boxing club, and kick the crap out of a bag. Not your patients, your co-workers, or your loved ones. It just won't do. And don't forget that humor is the stress reliever of all.

annmarie

Specializes in telemetry, med-surg, home health, psych.

I agree we all have "horror stories" that we can recount from our younger days as new nurses.....:crying2:

But I really think that this behavior is not just in nursing......I think in all professions, you must pay your dues.

I know, I don't agree with it...I wish all could be rosy and nice, but people are just not built that way (not all)

As above post mentioned, you never know just what is going on in that "nasty" persons life to cause their behavior......not to make any excuses........but my great philosohy is "don't take it personal"..you can't, just keep your head up and do what you are suppose to do.....take care of your patients. ;)

and be glad we aren't stuck in an office situation !!! you can imagine the water cooler gossip and goings on !!:lol2: 

Specializes in med surg, geriatric, clinical, pool.
those who have thought they were treated badly before.........ain't seen nothin yet !!!!!!!!!!

With all the budget cuts and staff lay-offs due to the BIG CORPORATE owners of the hospitals, we now have nurses cutting each others throats in order to keep their jobs............actually spying and writing others up to make themselves look better to the head honches........all to save their own jobs...........

how said that it has come to this................I can only blame the economy, and owners of the corps.....

That's why I don't nurse anymore!