"Nurses Are So Mean"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. Nurses Relations Article

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I wish I had a dollar for every post I've read claiming that "nurses are so mean," "nurses are nasty to each other," "nurses eat their young" or "my preceptor is picking on me for no good reason." And then if you add in all the nurses who are "fired for NO reason" or is hated by their co-workers because they're so much younger and more beautiful than everyone around them or just can't get along with their colleagues no matter what they do -- well, I'd be a rich woman. I could retire to Tahiti and lounge on the beach sipping margaritas and eating BON bons. Or whatever. You catch my drift.

I'm beginning to believe that the nurses, nursing students, new grads and CNAs who claim that everyone is being mean to them are revealing far more about their own character than they are about the people around them.

It's A Pattern

It's usually pretty much a pattern -- someone who is new to nursing, new to a specialty or new to a job posts a plaintive lament about how everyone they work with is just so MEAN. Often times, when the poster goes on to describe the situation, it's just that they had a negative interaction with one nurse -- and often just that one time. It's as if no one is allowed to have a bad day. There are no allowances made for the colleague who may be a bit brusque because they've been up all night with a cranky baby or a wandering parent with dementia or their dog just died or even -- heaven forbid -- they're weary of answering that same question over and over without any learning occurring.

People Have Bad Days

It's just one of those things. We cannot all call in sick every time we've had to stay up all night with a child or parent, put the dog to sleep or take antihistamines. We can't all not come to work every time the sewer backs up, the roof leaks or the car won't start. Some of us on any given day have worries and responsibilities outside the job. If you happen to encounter a colleague on the day she discovered her husband was cheating on her, her child crashed another car or the space heater fried a whole circuit they might just be rude to you. They probably don't mean it, possibly don't even realize they WERE rude to you. Cut them some slack. Even preceptors have really bad days when nothing goes right. If you're looking for nurses eating their young or being mean and nasty to their co-workers, you'll find them. Whether or not they actually ARE young-eaters or mean nurses.

"Coworkers Are So Mean To Me"

Another common theme is a poster complaining about how mean her new co-workers are to her. She's never done anything to deserve it, she's always been pleasant and helpful and she thinks (or someone has told her) that they're picking on her because they are just so jealous of her relative youth and beauty. I'm suggesting that if that's what you believe -- that you're perfect, but your co-workers are jealous of your youth and beauty -- you ought to perhaps look a little deeper. Much of the time, there will be another reason that you're not getting along with the people at work. Perhaps you're not being as friendly and helpful as you think. Perhaps you're not carrying your full share of the workload, or aren't learning despite asking the same questions over and over or are rude to people you perceive as "old dogs who ought to retire" or "ugly old hags."

If you're writing in to complain that "mean people follow me everywhere" and "I've had five jobs since I graduated six months ago, and my preceptors have all been nasty" or "nurses eat their young and I know that because I'm always being eaten," stop and think for a minute. If the same problem follows you everywhere you go, it may not be them. There's a good chance that it's YOU. You can change jobs as many times as you like, but everywhere you go, there you are. Since the only person you can change is YOU, stop and think about what you might be doing to contribute to your problems. A little self-assessment and introspection can only be a good thing.

"Nurses Eat Their Young"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. When I grew up and learned more, my co-workers became much nicer people. While I know that lateral violence does exist, I don't think it exists to the point that some people seem to think it does. Or to the degree that a regular reader of allnurses.com could believe it does. Every time you have a negative interaction with a co-worker, it's not necessarily lateral violence. It could very well be that someone is having a very, very bad day. Or week. Or it could be that rather than your co-workers being jealous of your extreme good looks, you're regularly doing something really stupid or thoughtless that irritates or annoys them. Quite possibly, the problem is you. Maybe you're not studying enough, learning enough, understanding enough or doing enough. Certainly if you're always having the same problems over and over again, everywhere you go, the problem IS you.

The only person you can "fix" is you. I really, really wish that people would at least consider the possibility that they are part of the problem before they scream that "nurses eat their young."

Specializes in Critical Care.
Furthermore, who or what are you? No specialty, no years of experience. If you are not a nurse, why are you here?

My apologies, just read your profile, welcome to the real world of hospital nursing, where there is often a "get them in, get them out, transfer" etc between departments with no real regard to quality patient care. All departments suffer r/t administration and the almighty buck.

Furthermore, who or what are you? No specialty, no years of experience. If you are not a nurse, why are you here?

Some people choose to not display all their history in their profile, preferring to maintain their privacy. Displaying such information is not a requirement of membership. Your post was a tad nasty directed to a first time poster, who just joined today and may not have had an opportunity (or found where) to enter all the 'details'.

You would think that with cross department and floor interaction, there would be no arguing! The hospital is a single unit, not a conglomerate of separate pieces.

That's like saying that siblings should all get along because they're members of the same family. Nice in theory, but not always the case in real life.

With departments scrambling for ever-smaller pieces of a shrinking pie, competition can be fierce. In good work environments, individuals can set the politics aside and work together toward the common goal of providing good patient care. In not-so-hot places, it's everyone for himself and patient care does tend to suffer. The employees feel it, too, but that doesn't seem to stop the madness.

Good luck with pursuing your education. I'll bet your RN mom is proud that you want to follow in her footsteps.

Specializes in NICU, Infection Control.

We do have high school students post @ allnurses, often in the wrong thread/forum, asking questions about a future career choice. Let's give them the best advice we can, courteously, so that all us oldies can retire some day. just sayin'

When I grew up and learned more, my co-workers became muchy nicer people. While I know that lateral violence does exist, I don't think it exists to the point that some people seem to think it does. Or to the degree that a regular reader of allnurses.com could believe it does. Every time you have a negative interaction with a co-worker, it's not necessarily lateral violence. It could very well be that someone is having a very, very bad day. Or week. Or it could be that rather than your co-workers being jealous of your extreme good looks, you're regularly doing something really stupid or thoughtless that irritates or annoys them. Quite possibly, the problem is you. Maybe you're not studying enough, learning enough, understanding enough or doing enough. Certainly if you're always having the same problems over and over again, everywhere you go, the problem IS you.

That is the problem right there, 'when you grew up and learned more'??? If you are a constant complainer or whiner than i understand. But as a fresh new nurse who may ask a question once you should not encounter an attitude. Leave your dead dog or crappy husband at home. There is NO place for that in the work place. That is NOT what we are there for. Of course there are those that have problems themselves but yes there are nurses who as you put it 'eat their young' i have seen it. As far as the good looks thing, just ignore it. And yes most of us study and learn on our own, that is what nursing is, a never ending learning process.

When I grew up and learned more, my co-workers became muchy nicer people. While I know that lateral violence does exist, I don't think it exists to the point that some people seem to think it does. Or to the degree that a regular reader of allnurses.com could believe it does. Every time you have a negative interaction with a co-worker, it's not necessarily lateral violence. It could very well be that someone is having a very, very bad day. Or week. Or it could be that rather than your co-workers being jealous of your extreme good looks, you're regularly doing something really stupid or thoughtless that irritates or annoys them. Quite possibly, the problem is you. Maybe you're not studying enough, learning enough, understanding enough or doing enough. Certainly if you're always having the same problems over and over again, everywhere you go, the problem IS you.

That is the problem right there, 'when you grew up and learned more'??? If you are a constant complainer or whiner than i understand. But as a fresh new nurse who may ask a question once you should not encounter an attitude. Leave your dead dog or crappy husband at home. There is NO place for that in the work place. That is NOT what we are there for. Of course there are those that have problems themselves but yes there are nurses who as you put it 'eat their young' i have seen it. As far as the good looks thing, just ignore it. And yes most of us study and learn on our own, that is what nursing is, a never ending learning process.

I believe the quoted portion of your post is similar to the story about the sixteen-year-old kid who couldn't get along with his folks until he had reached the age of 21. He couldn't believe how much they had learned in just five years.

When you're new, you are somewhat self-centered, and that's fairly normal. It's just goes with the territory. You're so focused on learning all of the details and trying not to freak out and cramming everything into the allotted time and not getting called on the carpet that you pull your range of vision in pretty tight. It's only as you begin to feel some comfort and confidence that you can relax a little and cut yourself and others some slack. The downside of this is that newbies can be overly sensitive and easily rattled. They tend to take things to heart that, given a few years of experience, they'd just blow off or stand up to. Again, that's normal.

It would be nice if all of the seasoned nurses could chill, and the ones I've seen mostly do. Some even take newbies under their wing and try to give them pointers and encouragement. But there are a few who, for whatever reason, are not the nurturing type.

The ideal combination is a sensible, teachable newbie and and nurturing, encouraging vet. Not the greatest but still quite doable are a know-it-all or a shrinking violet newbie with a kind, caring vet or the teachable newbie with the starchy vet. These pairings may not feel the greatest, but they can still get the job done.

The worst match-up is the cocky or the wilting newbie with the battleaxe vet. This is where the sparks can really fly and cause everyone on the unit to feel the heat.

But do the math. The really awful new grad and the really awful grizzled veteran are each a small minority in their respective groups. So this particular duo would represent only a fraction of the possible combinations.

A problem develops when people try to oversell the "bullying" complaints. In this blog article, I explain what bullying is and isn't.

https://allnurses.com/nursing-blogs/bullying-other-b-625107.html

Nobody should be trampling over (or gobbling up) anyone else--whether new or seasoned nurse.

And yet, it is a life skill--one I don't think is being taught much lately by the looks of things--to be able to assert yourself and stand your ground without either folding like a house of cards or snapping like a rabid dog. If someone is a snert, move on. Ask someone else. Look for people who have a positive outlook. Really nasty stuff should be reported, but the normal nuts and bolts friction of working with different personalities can help new grads transition from students who need approval (appropriate for a while in school) into independent practitioners.

Sometimes I don't think enough attention is paid to the fact that this transition even exists. But it does. And some of the "meanness" can be attributed to new grads coming from camaraderie and supervision into an environment that must seem cold by comparison.

I wish assertiveness techniques were taught so newbies felt they had the tools to set good boundaries. And I wish everyone, old and new, would just act decent toward each other.

Specializes in All Icus x Nicu/ Shock Trauma/flight nur.

I just finished a preceptorship. I hope to God that I never have to do that again. I think individules without much self-esteem or are insecure about themselves can make your life miserable. They have very little power in thier personal lives, but in the hospital they act like the Queen of England. What bothers me is this unhappy, miserable human being is the same person who will evaluate my performance. To make matters worse she had two years of experience, was the charge nurse, had a patient assignment and in her spare time was to precept me. I on the other hand have been in nursing since 1971, and became a flight nurse in the desert southwest. Now I ask you what could this inexperienced nurse teach me? How mean did she become? two days before I was to finish, she wrote up an evaluation of my clinical performance which was all a figment of her imagination. I was terminated from my preceptorship, and am now appealing the decision with the Provost Marshal. Then I will file a formal complaint against her license with the BON. You reap what you sow!!! Fltnrse2

They have to be or they will get cheated out of their bonus, pay, hours and shifts, and when management need to cut something who will they look to the nices nurse who never complains. Nurses that are weak their cna's will take more breaks, not give her patients the best care, cna want be prompt with needed labs. Nursing have to be stern because they are dealing with life and death. Look at the Doctors. Nurses have great responsibilites. There are no trying to be mean by make it in the working environment.

All nurses need to protect their interest. Nurses that are mean are not that way by chance. But, because they have learn to adjust to survive in tense environments. Nurses deal with life and death. Weak nurses get the worst duties, patients and floors. They are the first to get their bonuses, pay and shifts cut in budget problems. 4 nurses who enter the hospital field all left because they couldn't cut the tense environment are now working in calm nursing homes. It's more to nursing than being an excellent nurses. nurses aide. You have to build up a repretation of respect then they don't bother you. Stop letting your guard down. They are not going to change, you have to change. Demand respect, no one will confront a bulldog only a puppy. If you want to make it you have to sink or swim. Be a cna of outstanding repretation and no one will disrespect you.

Specializes in telemetry, med-surg, home health, psych.

It took me years to finally be able to practice what I preach..........we are all like magnets, whatever we put out there, seems to come back to us..

If we are positive, and exude that attitude...we get it in return..

If we are negative, that is what we see....

Accentuate the positive,,,,,eliminate the negative......it really works!!!!! Stop being a pessimist, and try optimism....see how that changes your life....

Specializes in All Icus x Nicu/ Shock Trauma/flight nur.

Dear Hawthorn,

It is the very reason of working in high stress areas that we need each other's support and at times a helpiing hand. You do not have to be "mean" to get things done. Disrespecting each other only leads to resentment, anda hostile work enviroment. I suggest that as nurses we keep our focus on the client's in our care and not on the personalities of co-workers. You might check out on Medscape two recent articles about "bullies". There is no excuse to be "mean', or demanding of our co-workers. In my eyes when nurses are mean, rude, demanding etc. I just think they are insecure and would do us all a favor to find another job. This isn't personal, if you feel this is the only way you can get the job done and keep it well right on. This type of hostile behavior was more than likely modeled for you by a insecure physician. He may get things done, however when co-workers are intimidated, and thier anxiety levels shoot through the roof, something is going to get missed, or forgotten etc.

Your attitude doesn't help anyone other than yourself. Sorry but that's the way I see it. FLTNRSE2

Specializes in Labor & Delivery.

Oh man! I truly HATE those posts by people about how "the older nurses are so mean to me because of my youth and how pretty I am"!!! No, the older nurses are mean to you because you constantly walk around talking about how pretty you THINK you are :)