"Nurses Are So Mean"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. Nurses Relations Article

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I wish I had a dollar for every post I've read claiming that "nurses are so mean," "nurses are nasty to each other," "nurses eat their young" or "my preceptor is picking on me for no good reason." And then if you add in all the nurses who are "fired for NO reason" or is hated by their co-workers because they're so much younger and more beautiful than everyone around them or just can't get along with their colleagues no matter what they do -- well, I'd be a rich woman. I could retire to Tahiti and lounge on the beach sipping margaritas and eating BON bons. Or whatever. You catch my drift.

I'm beginning to believe that the nurses, nursing students, new grads and CNAs who claim that everyone is being mean to them are revealing far more about their own character than they are about the people around them.

It's A Pattern

It's usually pretty much a pattern -- someone who is new to nursing, new to a specialty or new to a job posts a plaintive lament about how everyone they work with is just so MEAN. Often times, when the poster goes on to describe the situation, it's just that they had a negative interaction with one nurse -- and often just that one time. It's as if no one is allowed to have a bad day. There are no allowances made for the colleague who may be a bit brusque because they've been up all night with a cranky baby or a wandering parent with dementia or their dog just died or even -- heaven forbid -- they're weary of answering that same question over and over without any learning occurring.

People Have Bad Days

It's just one of those things. We cannot all call in sick every time we've had to stay up all night with a child or parent, put the dog to sleep or take antihistamines. We can't all not come to work every time the sewer backs up, the roof leaks or the car won't start. Some of us on any given day have worries and responsibilities outside the job. If you happen to encounter a colleague on the day she discovered her husband was cheating on her, her child crashed another car or the space heater fried a whole circuit they might just be rude to you. They probably don't mean it, possibly don't even realize they WERE rude to you. Cut them some slack. Even preceptors have really bad days when nothing goes right. If you're looking for nurses eating their young or being mean and nasty to their co-workers, you'll find them. Whether or not they actually ARE young-eaters or mean nurses.

"Coworkers Are So Mean To Me"

Another common theme is a poster complaining about how mean her new co-workers are to her. She's never done anything to deserve it, she's always been pleasant and helpful and she thinks (or someone has told her) that they're picking on her because they are just so jealous of her relative youth and beauty. I'm suggesting that if that's what you believe -- that you're perfect, but your co-workers are jealous of your youth and beauty -- you ought to perhaps look a little deeper. Much of the time, there will be another reason that you're not getting along with the people at work. Perhaps you're not being as friendly and helpful as you think. Perhaps you're not carrying your full share of the workload, or aren't learning despite asking the same questions over and over or are rude to people you perceive as "old dogs who ought to retire" or "ugly old hags."

If you're writing in to complain that "mean people follow me everywhere" and "I've had five jobs since I graduated six months ago, and my preceptors have all been nasty" or "nurses eat their young and I know that because I'm always being eaten," stop and think for a minute. If the same problem follows you everywhere you go, it may not be them. There's a good chance that it's YOU. You can change jobs as many times as you like, but everywhere you go, there you are. Since the only person you can change is YOU, stop and think about what you might be doing to contribute to your problems. A little self-assessment and introspection can only be a good thing.

"Nurses Eat Their Young"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. When I grew up and learned more, my co-workers became much nicer people. While I know that lateral violence does exist, I don't think it exists to the point that some people seem to think it does. Or to the degree that a regular reader of allnurses.com could believe it does. Every time you have a negative interaction with a co-worker, it's not necessarily lateral violence. It could very well be that someone is having a very, very bad day. Or week. Or it could be that rather than your co-workers being jealous of your extreme good looks, you're regularly doing something really stupid or thoughtless that irritates or annoys them. Quite possibly, the problem is you. Maybe you're not studying enough, learning enough, understanding enough or doing enough. Certainly if you're always having the same problems over and over again, everywhere you go, the problem IS you.

The only person you can "fix" is you. I really, really wish that people would at least consider the possibility that they are part of the problem before they scream that "nurses eat their young."

Specializes in Psychiatry.

Honestly,

Sometimes, it takes a *****.

I mean, some of the patients out there take nurses for granted. Are rude and just have a general lack of humility. They treat you like **** and expect everything in return.

Sure, nures by their job description are OBLIGATED to provide life saving and other interventions. But really, they don't have to be nice about it.

I have seen people with total disregard for the medical professionals treating them and, provided that these people are completely competent and are just being ***** because they can, the nurse shouldn't put up with that! She should be a complete and utter ***** to a person with disregard for her! It is HER that is trying to help them, so have respect.

Note: I'm not saying be a *****, I'm saying don't put up with nonsense. For the most part though, the people putting up with nonsense are the people working in ERs.

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
thank you for your input.

yes, nancy n. i agree with ruby. thank you for your input.

remember you were a novice nurse and went to nursing school. new friends new boss new environment we all go thru it. we do eat the young... but dont bite their heads off...

"Oh well, nurses will be nurses!" Please! You probably think bullying doesn't REALLY exist in schools either. There are many, many adult nurses that carry this bullying behavior into their careers. A workplace with a predominantly female population is rife with this alpha dog mentality AND often it is directed at younger and/or attractive nurses because they're the ones most vulnerable to it. People that do this need to look at themselves, not the other way around. I wish facilities would be more proactive in addressing this rampant issue.

I started in healthcare at 19 years old and had a lot of undeserved, self confidence shattering run ins with the "veterans". ("Veterans" sometimes means people that have been there just a year longer than you, nothing to do with age. I've seen some very self entitled new grads who lord their degrees over more seasoned but, newly hired nurses.) I, however, learned to stand my ground and was eventually accepted into the flock. But, the process of proving myself could be hellish. Nurses are people too, you're right. They're people who have bad days and hard home lives BUT I'm sure people aren't griping about one run-in. This is a real issue and sticking your head in the sand doesn't make it OK.

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.

I never heard the phrase "nurses eat their young" until I started reading posts here on allnurses in 2004. For that I am grateful. I got through orientation and many days that were challenging including a few nurses who were the classic hell ***** on wheels. But most were fine, and some were downright wonderful. I wonder if I had gone in expecting "to be eaten" the same experiences would have been categorized differently in my mind.

Perhaps there were some snippy answers, or perhaps cold shoulders I wouldn't have shrugged off. I would have stored them in my mind as "proof". I pretty much expected some people to be really helpful (and there were), some people to be indifferent (quite a few) and some to be a danger to my mental health (only one in 10 years).

I know this is a generalization, but for the most part people see who they are in others when an obvious pattern develops. But they see pointing out this pattern as yet another form of "eating their young". My "preceptors" (we didn't call them that then) were wonderful. Even the cold fish had their good side. But we didn't expect them to drop everything and tend to our needs.

I started at 19, too. I was young and pretty (I'm still pretty :p just not young). It's all about how you carry yourself and your professional demeanor. People who think they are discriminated against because they are so attractive usually project their opinion of themselves to others and that is what the other people react negatively to. Not the fact that you are pretty.

Specializes in Medical.

I almost want to create a second account so I could kudos this again.

Specializes in telemetry, med-surg, home health, psych.

After working over 25 years in many different areas of nursing, I have worked with the "know-it-all, snippy nurses from hell, the kind, compassionate patient-oriented nurses who watch your back and everyone else in between....

I really don't think that you can stigmatize nurses........I think we are all just people and you would find this same conflict in any other business/profession.

"It takes all kinds"........mom used to say and you know what? she was right !!

Specializes in ED/TRAUMA.

as an agency/travel staff nurse, i OFTEN confront drama @ different locations. just being a traveler is threatening to some degree. their attitude is since you're making more MONEY than I am, you need to pick up the slack. don't get me wrong, there are some who are warm and welcoming but there seems to ALWAYS be that small population of nurses who just don't accept you. my solution is to avoid them @ ALL cost unless it is work related. oh but no...now, by doing that i am suddenly anti-sociable and unfriendly. sometimes i can't win for losing. we all go through different experiences in this field. yes, nurses can be deceiving, back-stabbing...you name it. i have definitely been in that environment...and i know i have not been the PROBLEM. nurses can and should show more love for one another. hopefully we are all doing this for the same reason. i don't know about the rest of you but i go to work to work and not to socialize...it's ALL about my patients.:nurse:

Specializes in bushwacking!!.

Nurses, Stop taking yourselves soooo seriously, you really are not that important, no one is......

i want to be a nurse because I know that I will love my job and be super nice to my patients and I will not be mean like SOME nurses. sick people need love and positive attention ♥

Specializes in Med/Surg Tele; LTC; Corrections.

Since Ive been a member of all nurses. I can say at times I have been shocked speechless reading the amount of hate and contempt from people who supposedly are to care for the sick and dying reading some of the articles posted here astonished me, I mean anyone who posts something that is not of popular consensus, will get cyber bullied their words paraphrased highlighted and broken down to the last syllable, most of the time not to up lift but to tear down. Heaven help anyone post their spiritual beliefs and how they relate to them caring for the sick. They're seen as crazy and get insulted. I understand people and their beliefs are different but I'm shocked by the lack of tolerance and self control that some people exhibit. I wonder how can you truly care form someone and openly display such hatred for someone who you don't really know or understand, how can you call yourself a nurse, I hope not because you went to school and done what was required, a lot of people on this site I've seen is so full of hatred and anger. It's scary to think that you are taking care of those sick and dependant on someone to actually care for them. Not mutter insults under their breath. Or attack a co worker or fellow poster. To those who continue the hated their is a day coming where we will be held accountable for our thoughts and actions. I hope at some point before that time you soften your hearts. Hatred, and nursing does not go together. JMHO.

Specializes in Medical.

I've been an AN member a wee bit longer than you, Bunny, and have to say that while I've seen dissent, anger, contempt, reasoned argument, debate and occasional outright rudeness but have yet to see anything that looked to me like hatred. I've been involved in very heated discussions, here and IRL, and haven't felt hatred. SOmetimes people interpret things through a lens that colours what they see...

I'd certainly caution anyone reading threads here, and elsewhere online, not to mistake people's online personas and posts for their professional demeanours and behaviour. The combination of reduced ability to convey nuance and tone when using words alone, the immediacy of communication, accidental hitting of emotional triggers, carelessness of language useage, and the veil of anonymity means that most people are more likely to write things they wouldn't say. That doesn't mean they're being false, but we're often less measured than they'd otherwise be.

I've been a nurse for over twenty years - caring for patients doesn't magically make me a lovely, ammenable person. It doesn't stop me from haivng a personality, an opinion, or a bad day. Seeing a section of my life based on posts I write in an online forum doesn't give you insight into anything about the rest of my life - and, as I doubt this was written specifically in response ot me, the same applies to everyone here.

I'd normally address specific aspects you raised, but I wouldn't want you to feel 'cyberbullied' by quoting sections of your post. I will say, though, that AN is one of the most rigorously moderated site I've ever participated in - if anyone feels as though responses are getting out of hand they have only to click on the 'report' button. Or stop visiting the site.