"Nurses Are So Mean"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. Nurses Relations Article

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I wish I had a dollar for every post I've read claiming that "nurses are so mean," "nurses are nasty to each other," "nurses eat their young" or "my preceptor is picking on me for no good reason." And then if you add in all the nurses who are "fired for NO reason" or is hated by their co-workers because they're so much younger and more beautiful than everyone around them or just can't get along with their colleagues no matter what they do -- well, I'd be a rich woman. I could retire to Tahiti and lounge on the beach sipping margaritas and eating BON bons. Or whatever. You catch my drift.

I'm beginning to believe that the nurses, nursing students, new grads and CNAs who claim that everyone is being mean to them are revealing far more about their own character than they are about the people around them.

It's A Pattern

It's usually pretty much a pattern -- someone who is new to nursing, new to a specialty or new to a job posts a plaintive lament about how everyone they work with is just so MEAN. Often times, when the poster goes on to describe the situation, it's just that they had a negative interaction with one nurse -- and often just that one time. It's as if no one is allowed to have a bad day. There are no allowances made for the colleague who may be a bit brusque because they've been up all night with a cranky baby or a wandering parent with dementia or their dog just died or even -- heaven forbid -- they're weary of answering that same question over and over without any learning occurring.

People Have Bad Days

It's just one of those things. We cannot all call in sick every time we've had to stay up all night with a child or parent, put the dog to sleep or take antihistamines. We can't all not come to work every time the sewer backs up, the roof leaks or the car won't start. Some of us on any given day have worries and responsibilities outside the job. If you happen to encounter a colleague on the day she discovered her husband was cheating on her, her child crashed another car or the space heater fried a whole circuit they might just be rude to you. They probably don't mean it, possibly don't even realize they WERE rude to you. Cut them some slack. Even preceptors have really bad days when nothing goes right. If you're looking for nurses eating their young or being mean and nasty to their co-workers, you'll find them. Whether or not they actually ARE young-eaters or mean nurses.

"Coworkers Are So Mean To Me"

Another common theme is a poster complaining about how mean her new co-workers are to her. She's never done anything to deserve it, she's always been pleasant and helpful and she thinks (or someone has told her) that they're picking on her because they are just so jealous of her relative youth and beauty. I'm suggesting that if that's what you believe -- that you're perfect, but your co-workers are jealous of your youth and beauty -- you ought to perhaps look a little deeper. Much of the time, there will be another reason that you're not getting along with the people at work. Perhaps you're not being as friendly and helpful as you think. Perhaps you're not carrying your full share of the workload, or aren't learning despite asking the same questions over and over or are rude to people you perceive as "old dogs who ought to retire" or "ugly old hags."

If you're writing in to complain that "mean people follow me everywhere" and "I've had five jobs since I graduated six months ago, and my preceptors have all been nasty" or "nurses eat their young and I know that because I'm always being eaten," stop and think for a minute. If the same problem follows you everywhere you go, it may not be them. There's a good chance that it's YOU. You can change jobs as many times as you like, but everywhere you go, there you are. Since the only person you can change is YOU, stop and think about what you might be doing to contribute to your problems. A little self-assessment and introspection can only be a good thing.

"Nurses Eat Their Young"

I wish the phrase "nurses eat their young" had never been coined. Thirty some years ago when I was a new grad, the phrase hadn't yet been coined. When I had problems with my co-workers, I could only look at my own behavior. I was young, fresh off the farm and totally unprepared for my new job as a nurse. When I grew up and learned more, my co-workers became much nicer people. While I know that lateral violence does exist, I don't think it exists to the point that some people seem to think it does. Or to the degree that a regular reader of allnurses.com could believe it does. Every time you have a negative interaction with a co-worker, it's not necessarily lateral violence. It could very well be that someone is having a very, very bad day. Or week. Or it could be that rather than your co-workers being jealous of your extreme good looks, you're regularly doing something really stupid or thoughtless that irritates or annoys them. Quite possibly, the problem is you. Maybe you're not studying enough, learning enough, understanding enough or doing enough. Certainly if you're always having the same problems over and over again, everywhere you go, the problem IS you.

The only person you can "fix" is you. I really, really wish that people would at least consider the possibility that they are part of the problem before they scream that "nurses eat their young."

WOW!! Great article!! This is soooo true! Nurses are people, too!! We DO have bad days, nights, weeks, or even months!

I was recently in a situation where I was the "mean" nurse. I had what was an unusul night at my LTC facility.......We got in two admissions at the exact same time (not kidding) and the nurse I usually work with was off, so I was *ahem* stuck with a nurse that was not -how do I say this nicely?- competent in doing her job. This other nurse did nothing to help me with either admission or any of the other tasks we do on midnight shift, but her email was fascinating reading!

In the morning, during report, an STNA asked if all the dayshift staff was there and, I'll admit, I spoke sharply to her when I told her to look for herself and see. After all that I had done in the previous 12 hours (not just the admissions, but the required hand holding and questions-answering from the above mentioned nurse), I really just wanted to finish report and go home to bed (night 1 of 3 in a row). She felt that I had been "mean" to her and, as she left, she told another STNA as much and in not very nice words.

I was mean. I was horrible. How dare I speak to her like that?!? Oh, the horror!!! and blah, blah, blah! And let me just say this- the other nurse was NOT new-to the job or the facility. She had been there longer than I had at that time.

So maybe I am a mean nurse. But sometimes, you just have to be.

"Be nice. Be nice, until it is time to not be nice."-Dalton, Road House

Specializes in Critical Care.

I wish I had a dollar for every nurse like you. I am sick of working 12+ hour days with one 5 minute break. No reason for you to not try to help new nurses and say their complaints are unsubstantiated.

Specializes in Critical Care.

And blah, blah, blah about 2 admissions; try 4 on a day shift in critical care. Have to put in an IV or PICC, one patient decanulates themselves, another has the audacity to initiate a code blue. This is part of the job. We appreciate our nursing assistants and at times all staff gets short with each other, but we also have respect for each other. I work 12 hour shifts with barely a break, but I still treat my co-workers and patients with respect. And if thet suffer because my husband cheated on me or my dog barfed on my shoes last night..I would rue the day I became a nurse.

Specializes in Critical Care.

WOW!! Great article!! This is soooo true! Nurses are people, too!! We DO have bad days, nights, weeks, or even months!

I was recently in a situation where I was the "mean" nurse. I had what was an unusul night at my LTC facility.......We got in two admissions at the exact same time (not kidding) and the nurse I usually work with was off, so I was *ahem* stuck with a nurse that was not -how do I say this nicely?- competent in doing her job. This other nurse did nothing to help me with either admission or any of the other tasks we do on midnight shift, but her email was fascinating reading!

In the morning, during report, an STNA asked if all the dayshift staff was there and, I'll admit, I spoke sharply to her when I told her to look for herself and see. After all that I had done in the previous 12 hours (not just the admissions, but the required hand holding and questions-answering from the above mentioned nurse), I really just wanted to finish report and go home to bed (night 1 of 3 in a row). She felt that I had been "mean" to her and, as she left, she told another STNA as much and in not very nice words.

I was mean. I was horrible. How dare I speak to her like that?!? Oh, the horror!!! and blah, blah, blah! And let me just say this- the other nurse was NOT new-to the job or the facility. She had been there longer than I had at that time.

So maybe I am a mean nurse. But sometimes, you just have to be.

And, sorry I have to respond again. Yes, nurses are people and so are STNAs. I have to wonder why you took your aggression against the STNA and not the other nurse. Power? The stress of nursing can overwhelm most nurses that I know, but we usually drive home and think about the care we would like to give/r/t the care we actually gave r/t short staffing, cut backs, etc. NOT about being a "mean nurse." But then again..."sometimes, you just have to be."

Specializes in Oncology/Haemetology/HIV.

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rnccf2007- In response to both of your previous posts, I only ask that you re-read my original post.

I work in long term care. 2 admissions a day (or a week) is unususal, but to have 2 on night shift on the same night, at the same time is practically unheard of. As for the questions of the other nurse, she was NOT new. She had been there three months longer than I had been at the time and I have been there for 3 years.

WOW! I seem to have offended someone. I have to say this- YOU do not know me, nor do you work with me. This is ONE situation on ONE night that everything seemed to go to hades. I will do anything for anyone at any time. I was an STNA. I know what that is like and to have nasty nurses treat me like poo. I did not take anything out on her. I fully admit I spoke sharply. It was one sentence, not a tirade, as you make it sound. I am the charge nurse in a 67 bed facility where, on night shift, I am solely responsible for 34 of my own residents, the issues requiring an RN for the other 33, and 5 staff members.

I have never worked critical care. I do not know what you do nor would I even attempt to try to judge you or your attitude regarding that area of practice. By that same token, have you worked in LTC, on nights, as the charge nurse where you are ultimately responsible for 72 other people? You do not know what my job entails, as I could not even begin to understand yours-- until I have walked in your shoes.

Specializes in RETIRED Cath Lab/Cardiology/Radiology.

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I am sure this opinion is not going to be well received but I don't care. Nursing is my second career and when I was going to nursing school I used to use words like Nobel when talking about nurses and I got some looks from other nurses I knew that no longer worked as nurses but they didn't explain. Now I know. I also know why people put themselves through the agony of nursing school and then decide within a year to never work as a nurse again. I don't know if being in the south east has anything to do with it but I have never in my life encountered such predatory women any where else in the country. It isn't just being snappy or impolite it is planning and plotting cruelty and trying to get people's licenses taken away or have people fired or other wise ruin lives. This is entertainment for these women. The mean girls in high school have nothing on these women and a few men. Also forget getting into any area besides med/surg unless you are young and attractive or a man. I worked in a high stress job before being a nurse and would gladly go back right now if the economy was better. It shows in this area of the country that codependent people are attracted to nursing and I also understand why so many nurses have substance abuse problems. These people don't go after everyone because they have to suck up to some and intimidate others so they "mind there own business" so they can have a group to cut the weak one out of the heard so the rest can bully and harrass one for the entertainment of the rest. The worst part of it all is that the worst offenders are usually made management because they are so sick that they are such two faced conartists. In this day and age when our society is so appauld and suprised at all the bullying in our schools and can't figure out where it is coming from I am not suprised at all. Companies pay lip service to the idea of zero tolerance for work place violence or harrassment but they will fire the victim that makes a complaint in a minute and promote the offender right after they make them employee of the month. I really hope these things aren't going on in other areas of the country as bad as they are here but I am afraid that that is a nieve hope on my part.

Specializes in geriatrics.

I think it really depends on where you are. I am a recent grad and the nurses where I work seem like nice, decent people. Sure, they all have their own personalities, but they have been very helpful. Nursing is also my second career, and I have learned not to allow miserable people bother me. I think the larger issue is partially systemic. Nurses are overworked in many facilities, afraid of losing their jobs, and budget cuts are rampant. As a result, we sometimes take out our stress on each other. Maybe I have been fortunate. I am aware that for many people here, their environments may be toxic. Even in nursing school I was pretty lucky with decent instructors. I can say that other professions can be just as toxic at times, based on my experiences. That's why I switched to nursing. I also think part of the issue arises from too many hormonal women :)

I am truly glad that some areas seem to be better. It gives me hope.

I am sure this opinion is not going to be well received but I don't care. Nursing is my second career and when I was going to nursing school I used to use words like Nobel when talking about nurses and I got some looks from other nurses I knew that no longer worked as nurses but they didn't explain. Now I know. I also know why people put themselves through the agony of nursing school and then decide within a year to never work as a nurse again. I don't know if being in the south east has anything to do with it but I have never in my life encountered such predatory women any where else in the country. It isn't just being snappy or impolite it is planning and plotting cruelty and trying to get people's licenses taken away or have people fired or other wise ruin lives. This is entertainment for these women. The mean girls in high school have nothing on these women and a few men. Also forget getting into any area besides med/surg unless you are young and attractive or a man. I worked in a high stress job before being a nurse and would gladly go back right now if the economy was better. It shows in this area of the country that codependent people are attracted to nursing and I also understand why so many nurses have substance abuse problems. These people don't go after everyone because they have to suck up to some and intimidate others so they "mind there own business" so they can have a group to cut the weak one out of the heard so the rest can bully and harrass one for the entertainment of the rest. The worst part of it all is that the worst offenders are usually made management because they are so sick that they are such two faced conartists. In this day and age when our society is so appauld and suprised at all the bullying in our schools and can't figure out where it is coming from I am not suprised at all. Companies pay lip service to the idea of zero tolerance for work place violence or harrassment but they will fire the victim that makes a complaint in a minute and promote the offender right after they make them employee of the month. I really hope these things aren't going on in other areas of the country as bad as they are here but I am afraid that that is a nieve hope on my part.

As in Nobel Prize? No wonder they were giving you 'looks.'