ECPI versus Wake Tech, DTCC, Wilson, or Barton - page 4

Hi Monique. I am enrolled in the August LPN class at MCI in VA Beach. It starts on Aug 1st. The cost for the school is $19 thousand. You take an entrance exam and if you pass, your in. I bombed... Read More

  1. by   tab65
    I apply for the one in Charlotte, and that was the price they gave me ($23,500). Reason I remember so well because I was going to relocate
    Charlotte, however at the interview Jason McKito gave me that enormous price. So I stay in New York, here the most expensive LPN program is $12,000. However I pursuing the BSN now. My grant take care of everything.
  2. by   DHM_2007
    Wasted_enough_time...
    Thanks for the information. I sent you a PM last week with some other questions.

    I also found out that the current cost for this year is $23,500. After reading about the $19,000 I emailed the lady I have been in contact with at ECPI and she said that was last years cost. It's expensive but I think I am still going to try to go this November in the evenings, depending on how the schedule will be and if my classes from community colleges will be excepted.
  3. by   wasted-enough-time
    drh 2000....

    Hi there!! I thought I had replied back to you?...So sorry if I messed up!! I will go back to my pm box in a few moments and make sure I had not neglected a response to one of your pm's to me...

    Yeah, that # of $23,500..kinda blew me away..Wowsa!!....but here's the "up" side so to speak...After the financial aide, etc...( I'm hoping) the final cost will only be a fraction of the total... We will have to see tho....In any event, I'll keep you posted..

    Anna
  4. by   DHM_2007
    wasted-enough-time...

    That's fine, I completely understand. I was looking back to make sure that I wasn't telling you wrong. The last PM I got from you was on 7/25 and I sent you a reply on 7/26. Also I emailed you on like Friday or Saturday...Did you receive it?

    I still haven't totally decided what I wanted to do as far as where I should attend. I wish they would give me some sort of course outline or something, so I could know what that looks like and could try to decide something...

    Thanks again!
  5. by   wasted-enough-time
    drh 2000,...

    I "Had" a course outline that they gave me last year. I don't think they changed that much from last year, so I will look thru my papers and get back to you..ok? Also ..my news right now is not good,...for two reasons...

    #-1,.I went there yesterday. It took us ( hubby went along..) Anyway we left at 10-55-am and it took us exactly 1 hour-20 minutes...Arrived at the schools from door exactly 11:15,..and thats with NO traffic!!,..I mean it was fairly clear sailing all the way to 440....of course things picked up once we hit the exit. By the way my hubby drove,...translation...."Speedy Gonzalas"....

    I am way concerned now because if it took us that long ( with no traffic), I am wondering what it will be like (time wise) in getting back and forth once school actually begins..ugh!...I guess in order to get to class on time ( 8-am), I would have to leave home around 6-am-ish, to allow enough time for all the hussel and bustle of the normal morning traffic etc..

    #-2,...Another BIG concern is the cost, as I met with the financial aide person and yes,..I heard it first hand from the "horse's mouth so to speak..) that it IS actually $23,500...an increase of almost $4,000!!! Anyway, I also found out that my financial aide Won't cover it all...not by a long shot!!!!!!! You see we earned too much last year ( heck I earned too much just by my salary alone!!) and so in order to make "it work",..we would have to either set up an payment plan of $1,100+ per month OR take out a personal loan to the tune of $13,500+.... Seems that since this is a "Tech school" and not a Degree program..things are handled different...

    So,.....right now I can safely say..."Fat chance" of my attending!! The Gal there who's helping me, said that she is going to look into a couple of other possible options and get back with me....They are really trying Hard ,..so we will see... If all else fails then I may very well go the local CC route!!...

    Anna
  6. by   DHM_2007
    Anna (wasted-enough-time)...
    Sorry to hear about your day yesterday and everything not going to good. Like fayethlove says, everything happens for a reason. That's what I always tell myself when something doesn't go right or whatever. Hopefully they can work out other options for you. I know what you mean about wanting to go ahead and get it over with...that's the same way I feel and the #1 reason I am even thinking about ECPI. I don't want to have to wait till next fall and take the chance of not getting in, but if I can't get financial aid/grants that's what its going to be for me too.

    I also have the same dilema with the driving time...it's not but about an hour away but in the afternoons with all the traffic who knows how long it could take me. That's why I am wanting to find out the course outline, so I will have an idea what time I will have to go because I am hoping my classes will transfer and I will not need but a few. I know the times she told me is 5:30-10:30 Monday thru Thursday and 8-1 on Saturdays...

    wasted-enough-time...just let me know if you find the course outline from last year. I would really appreciate that!
  7. by   buttercup27
    Can anyone tell me about the Lpn program in Raleigh at Ecpi? It is a good program. Is it worth looking into are do I need to go to a community college that justs offer it. Currently I'm enrolled at Wake Tech, I just have to get finacial aide.
  8. by   bullcityrn
    The program has a good reputation but is expensive, I believe the cost is up to $23K or thereabouts for the 1 year LPN program. I know several people who attended and they are very satisfied with the education they received.

    Are you currently in the ASN program at Wake Tech or doing pre-reqs? It's my understanding that Wake Tech nursing program is difficult to get into on the first round but at least you would have your ASN when you are done. There are still places that hire LPNs outside of LTCs but those opportunities are getting fewer and further in between. If you are in no hurry, then finishing up the pre-reqs and getting on the waitlist for your ASN at a community college for a fraction of the cost of ECPI seems better, IMHO. But if you have time/financial limitations and need to get done, you could always get the LPN in 1 year and then hopefully work for an employer who will help you bridge to the ASN or BSN. Another option is the diploma program -- Watts School of Nursing in Durham is about the same price at ECPI but you walk away with your nursing diploma, an AAS Degree in Health Science and the opportunity for tuition reimbursement through the Duke system. I will be attending Watts but did look briefly at ECPI when I thought finances were going to be an issue. The 2-3 year waitlists at Wake Tech and Durham Tech were just not an option for me.

    At the very least, do a search on allnurses on "ECPI" and "Wake Tech" and you'll find some old threads that have a lot of info on the differences in the two programs.

    Good luck! Hope this helps.
  9. by   buttercup27
    I would have started my pre-reqs in January but have money issues. I was looking into Watts and Mercy School of Nursing In Charlotte. How easy was it to get into Watts and what are the class times? Currently I live and Clayton and wouldn't want to drive everyday.
  10. by   TruDivaRN
    Leave ECPI and their bull alone
    I paid their $100 application fee, did all of the paper work. I took my TEAS result with me since I had just taken them. I was told there would be no problem with me getting in. Then I saw the figures, a little over $23,000 for the LPN program. With the grants and loans that I had I still would have to come up with an additional $5,000 out of pocket. NOOOOO WAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!

    Three months later I got my acceptance letter for the RN program for the school I currently attend, which only costs me 1,100 per semester including books; all of which is paid by pell. Any way getting to my point I received a letter from the Sallie Mae folks and they said I should start making my payments as soon as I graduate in July from ECPI!!!!!

    It turns out that there is a serious mixup concerning my ECPI loan application. Even though I never attended ECPI, the Sallie Mae people are insisting I owe $7,000 for a student loan I never received for a school I never attended. Its like pulling hens teeth to get them to see their mistake. Well needless to say I'm not paying it, and I'm still in the process of trying to straighted this situation out.
    Last edit by VickyRN on Dec 16, '06 : Reason: TOS
  11. by   carolinapooh
    Quote from SOON_2_BE_RN
    Leave ECPI and their bull alone
    I paid their $100 application fee, did all of the paper work. I took my TEAS result with me since I had just taken them. I was told there would be no problem with me getting in. Then I saw the figures, a little over $23,000 for the LPN program. With the grants and loans that I had I still would have to come up with an additional $5,000 out of pocket. NOOOOO WAAAAAYYYYYY!!!!!!!!

    Three months later I got my acceptance letter for the RN program for the school I currently attend, which only costs me 1,100 per semester including books; all of which is paid by pell. Any way getting to my point I received a letter from the Sallie Mae folks and they said I should start making my payments as soon as I graduate in July from ECPI!!!!!

    It turns out that there is a serious mixup concerning my ECPI loan application. Even though I never attended ECPI, the Sallie Mae people are insisting I owe $7,000 for a student loan I never received for a school I never attended. Its like pulling hens teeth to get them to see their mistake. Well needless to say I'm not paying it, and I'm still in the process of trying to straighted this situation out.
    This is unsolicited, but if I were you, I would pull my credit report from all 3 credit bureaus to see if that loan has been reported as outstanding debt. If it has, dispute it immediately as erroneous information; this will tag your bureau and stop any further reporting of the debt until the credit bureau looks into your report.

    I would then request a copy of the SIGNED PROMISSORY NOTE from SallieMae (if you didn't sign one, they're not going to have one, and looking for this will give them something to do) and a check number for the disbursement check (something else they obviously won't have) AND a copy of the cancelled check (which they probably also won't have if one was never cut - see where this is going?). Request it all in writing, send it to them certified mail/return receipt, and keep copies of everything. You could even call them, tell them you want all this stuff, and tell them that a written request is on its way and have them record the tracking number from the certified mail receipt on your account notes. Keep anything they send you and do everything in writing - even though it SUCKS, you then have copies of everything and they can't talk their way away from or out of anything they've put in print.

    Get a letter or statement from the school saying you NEVER matriculated. I can't imagine them not doing this. Also find out from the financial aid office if you have a file there, and find out what's in it if they say you have one - it could be the financial aid office literally didn't get the memo from the admissions office (it happens) or that they never stopped your paperwork from going out in the big batch they submit to SallieMae every semester (I did work-study in a financial aid office when I was in college eons ago; I think it's all electronic these days though, but the principle is the same). Get copies of anything they'll give you copies of.

    Collect all the paper you can. Submit it with a well-written and professional cover letter to SallieMae. NUMBER every single document and ENUMERATE in the letter what the number of the document is and what the document is (example: "1. Statement of ECPI, recording that I never matriculated at the school"). COPY the entire stack, send the originals to them certified/return receipt. Safely file the whole copied stack away. You want to copy it to show exactly what they were sent. Call SallieMae and tell them it's coming; have them record the tracking number in your account record.

    Then (and even while you're doing all this) I would go to the NC Bar Association website (I'm assuming you're here in NC) and find a pro bono lawyer. Pick this person's brain for a bit of free legal advice - I've done this myself. They're there; trust me. They'll help you sort this out. You may not even need them if you get enough paperwork and evidence gathered on your own. (You can also then use the phrase, "under the advice of counsel" truthfully, and people don't like it when you can use that phrase; it makes them aware that you're serious.) But if worst comes to worse, a well-placed letter from an attorney, which would cost about $200 and provided everything you're saying here is legit, just might be cash well spent to get SallieMae off your back - because if they're convinced you owe them, they just might not take your no OR even all your evidence for an answer, even if it's the right one. They do, however, tend to listen to a lawyer, so don't be afraid of attorneys - they're not all crooked. :-)

    I might get edited for all this, but I really want to help. I would tell my best friend all of this and urge her to act; unfortunately these days we are our only advocates in most matters. I am very leery of student loan people. CFI here in North Carolina reported me ninety days delinquent on my loans to ALL THREE CREDIT BUREAUS. I got my loans years before consolidation existed, so that meant I had SEVEN MAJOR BLACK MARKS on my credit report. That's like having seven credit cards reported ninety days late. What was interesting was, they reported me as paid current in June, July, August, and September, and suddenly in October I was 90 days overdue (obviously impossible). I flipped out, but they admitted their mistake. I sent them cancelled check copies, copies of all my loan statements from the months in question showing I was never behind, and a scathing letter, after I called them and alerted them of their error. If I hadn't pulled my bureau on a whim one evening I wouldn't have known it until I'd applied for my latest loans - their records showed me paid current, but they REPORTED me delinquent. NICE. So they DO screw up, but of course you're the one who has to do all the work to shut them up.

    Good luck at any rate. I would not ignore them even if you're completely right and you owe them nothing. They won't just go away overnight. Just keep everything they send you and even though it's expensive, send everything to them certified/return receipt, and then you can prove SOMEONE there picked it up. And you really should check your bureau as a start. I think you can get a free copy of your bureau annually. OH - and then check your bureau about three months after you believe this is cleared up, just to make sure they've had the loan taken off if they put it up there initially, or they didn't report it wrongly as bad debt. I've learned not to trust anyone who loans money.
    Last edit by carolinapooh on Dec 21, '06
  12. by   bullcityrn
    Quote from buttercup27
    I would have started my pre-reqs in January but have money issues. I was looking into Watts and Mercy School of Nursing In Charlotte. How easy was it to get into Watts and what are the class times? Currently I live and Clayton and wouldn't want to drive everyday.
    Watts is not extremely hard to get into but there is a process that can take about a month to complete -- application/written statement/references, the PSB test (which is not difficult but can trip you up if you do not read it carefully) and background check. Once accepted, a semester (18 hours) of prerequisites that need to be finished prior to starting the nursing courses. But since you live in Clayton the drive may be more than you want to do. Hours are subject to change but from what I understand are typically 9-3 in the classroon 2-3 days per week and then 6:45-3 clinical 2 days per week. We won't get our final schedule until orientation so that's all I know for now. Hope this helps.

    Good luck whatever you decide to do!
  13. by   bullcityrn
    Quote from carolinapooh
    This is unsolicited, but if I were you, I would pull my credit report from all 3 credit bureaus to see if that loan has been reported as outstanding debt. If it has, dispute it immediately as erroneous information; this will tag your bureau and stop any further reporting of the debt until the credit bureau looks into your report.

    I would then request a copy of the SIGNED PROMISSORY NOTE from SallieMae (if you didn't sign one, they're not going to have one, and looking for this will give them something to do) and a check number for the disbursement check (something else they obviously won't have) AND a copy of the cancelled check (which they probably also won't have if one was never cut - see where this is going?). Request it all in writing, send it to them certified mail/return receipt, and keep copies of everything. You could even call them, tell them you want all this stuff, and tell them that a written request is on its way and have them record the tracking number from the certified mail receipt on your account notes. Keep anything they send you and do everything in writing - even though it SUCKS, you then have copies of everything and they can't talk their way away from or out of anything they've put in print.

    Get a letter or statement from the school saying you NEVER matriculated. I can't imagine them not doing this. Also find out from the financial aid office if you have a file there, and find out what's in it if they say you have one - it could be the financial aid office literally didn't get the memo from the admissions office (it happens) or that they never stopped your paperwork from going out in the big batch they submit to SallieMae every semester (I did work-study in a financial aid office when I was in college eons ago; I think it's all electronic these days though, but the principle is the same). Get copies of anything they'll give you copies of.

    Collect all the paper you can. Submit it with a well-written and professional cover letter to SallieMae. NUMBER every single document and ENUMERATE in the letter what the number of the document is and what the document is (example: "1. Statement of ECPI, recording that I never matriculated at the school"). COPY the entire stack, send the originals to them certified/return receipt. Safely file the whole copied stack away. You want to copy it to show exactly what they were sent. Call SallieMae and tell them it's coming; have them record the tracking number in your account record.

    Then (and even while you're doing all this) I would go to the NC Bar Association website (I'm assuming you're here in NC) and find a pro bono lawyer. Pick this person's brain for a bit of free legal advice - I've done this myself. They're there; trust me. They'll help you sort this out. You may not even need them if you get enough paperwork and evidence gathered on your own. (You can also then use the phrase, "under the advice of counsel" truthfully, and people don't like it when you can use that phrase; it makes them aware that you're serious.) But if worst comes to worse, a well-placed letter from an attorney, which would cost about $200 and provided everything you're saying here is legit, just might be cash well spent to get SallieMae off your back - because if they're convinced you owe them, they just might not take your no OR even all your evidence for an answer, even if it's the right one. They do, however, tend to listen to a lawyer, so don't be afraid of attorneys - they're not all crooked. :-)

    I might get edited for all this, but I really want to help. I would tell my best friend all of this and urge her to act; unfortunately these days we are our only advocates in most matters. I am very leery of student loan people. CFI here in North Carolina reported me ninety days delinquent on my loans to ALL THREE CREDIT BUREAUS. I got my loans years before consolidation existed, so that meant I had SEVEN MAJOR BLACK MARKS on my credit report. That's like having seven credit cards reported ninety days late. What was interesting was, they reported me as paid current in June, July, August, and September, and suddenly in October I was 90 days overdue (obviously impossible). I flipped out, but they admitted their mistake. I sent them cancelled check copies, copies of all my loan statements from the months in question showing I was never behind, and a scathing letter, after I called them and alerted them of their error. If I hadn't pulled my bureau on a whim one evening I wouldn't have known it until I'd applied for my latest loans - their records showed me paid current, but they REPORTED me delinquent. NICE. So they DO screw up, but of course you're the one who has to do all the work to shut them up.

    Good luck at any rate. I would not ignore them even if you're completely right and you owe them nothing. They won't just go away overnight. Just keep everything they send you and even though it's expensive, send everything to them certified/return receipt, and then you can prove SOMEONE there picked it up. And you really should check your bureau as a start. I think you can get a free copy of your bureau annually. OH - and then check your bureau about three months after you believe this is cleared up, just to make sure they've had the loan taken off if they put it up there initially, or they didn't report it wrongly as bad debt. I've learned not to trust anyone who loans money.
    Wow, what a nightmare. Thanks for the great information, I will definitely keep all of this in mind now that I'm getting knee-deep in the loan adventure myself.

    How is the nursing program going? Almost finished with 1st semester, right? Hope all is well and that you like it! I'm sooooo ready to get started...

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