Rumor: North Shore LIJ hospitals no longer hiring ADN nurses. - page 2

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Can anyone confirm or deny this rumor? I have been told by 2 separate hospital employees that NSLIJ just passed down a policy that NO associate degree nurses who have graduated after January 23rd 2013 are to be hired. Basically... Read More


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    Bingo. If there were a prize, you'd win!

    Seems like this is going to put CSI between a rock and a hard place. Hopefully they finally come to their senses and open a straight-through BSN program.

    Personally, I plan to become a CRNA so I will be getting my BSN. I just wish the hospital system hadn't broad-sided those of us currently working for them who had plans to work while obtaining our BSN. Some sort of warning or grandfathering in would have been fair.

    Edit: I wonder what this will do for those currently in the nurse extern program. Guess they can't hire after the externship now!! From what I've been told, hospital management is just as unhappy as we are. Petitions are being circulated.
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    Bingo. If there were a prize, you'd win!

    Seems like this is going to put CSI between a rock and a hard place. Hopefully they finally come to their senses and open a straight-through BSN program.

    Personally, I plan to become a CRNA so I will be getting my BSN. I just wish the hospital system hadn't broad-sided those of us currently working for them who had plans to work while obtaining our BSN. Some sort of warning or grandfathering in would have been fair.

    Edit: I wonder what this will do for those currently in the nurse extern program. Guess they can't hire after the externship now!! From what I've been told, hospital management is just as unhappy as we are. Petitions are being circulated.
    What? Where's my Kewpie Doll? *LOL*

    Thought as much from the way you described your program.

    Don't now how old you are and or if you are a native SI'er, but as one who is and probably a bit older can give you some background if you didn't already know.

    Once there were two separate colleges: Richmond College (Saint George campus) and Staten Island Community College (Todt Hill/Sunnyside). The latter had the nursing program, whilst the former didn't.

    Faced with clousre during the bad fiscal times of the 1970's both colleges were merged to form The College of Staten Island. However for long and complex reasons certain degrees remain separate. The RN to BSN program came about IIRC to give Staten Island ADN grads (SICC/CSI and at that time Saint Vinny's) to get their four year degree.

    Like you for the life of me cannot understand why steps weren't taken to make the ADN program into a straight four year degree. Now that NS-LIJ one of the largest employers of nurses on the Island has made their move perhaps it will push things along.

    As for the Staten Island Hospial system "blind sided" well that his what happens when the once rather insular Island is opened up to "outside" forces.

    If you were to look at past and current nurses working at local SI hospitals you'd see a long list of the same three schools; Wagner, Saint Vincent's, and SICC/CSI.
    Last edit by DoGoodThenGo on Feb 12, '13 : Reason: Content
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    I'd heard a lot of that. You certainly know what you're talking about. Thank you for the information!
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    I'd heard a lot of that. You certainly know what you're talking about. Thank you for the information!
    Shoud ammend my original post that it was only Richmond College that was going to be closed, SICC was vastly more popular in terms of attendance and had more steady source of funding wasn't going anywhere.

    For a long time after the merger/creation of CSI there were still two campus sites. A shuttle bus ran frequent service between the two which was also great if you wanted to get to the ferry from Todt Hill and vice versa. Allot of staff and students did come from Manhattan and used the shuttle bus to get back and forth from the ferry as well.

    When everything moved to the former Willowbrook site it really helped kill Saint George, especially Saint Mark's place. The area is so different now.

    Years ago right through the 1980's and perhaps into the 1990's you only needed (on paper) a 2.5 GPA in the student nursing sequence (Eng 100, Soc 100, A&P1 with lab,bacteriology with lab, and a half semester quasi chem course who's name I forget). Depending upon the number of applicants you could get in with that bare bones minimum GPA, and during the 1980's there wasn't a huge crush of applicants either. There was none of the SAT or NLN exam requirements of today either. Long as you had passed the CUNY math and English assessment exams that was it.

    Med dose calc was a half semester course for either zero or maybe one credit. You took it along with Med/Surg I but woe if you failed as it was required to take Med Surg II. One of the nursing professors who taught the class then (Mrs. *) is now an author of books/exams on the same subject. Small world eh? Medical Dosage Calculations


    Clinical sites then were Saint Vincent's Hospital, Staten Island Hospital, Richmond Memorial Hospital, Victory Memorial Hospital, Veterans Hospital in Brooklyn, and South Beach Psych. For most clinical rotations you got to choose your site and time slot from a group offered on registration day. In those days it was held in the gym and was a hot mess because everything was done by paper. If a class was closed you had to hunt down the professor and see if you could get an "over tally" letter.
    Last edit by Silverdragon102 on Feb 16, '13 : Reason: initial removed
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    Very interesting stuff!

    "When everything moved to the former Willowbrook site it really helped kill Saint George, especially Saint Mark's place. The area is so different now."
    Especially this bit!

    Med dose calc is a 1 credit course now, full semester (but so drawn out!) and we still use that textbook textbook. CSI is mentioned in it and all of the sample MARs in it are from SIUH with the logo removed.

    Some of the classes have changed around. No more chem needed at all for the associates, but 2 chem classes are required for the BSN.

    Major changes to the campus these days though. They're building dorms as well as a very large new academic building which many departments are expected to move into.
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    Very interesting stuff!



    Especially this bit!

    Med dose calc is a 1 credit course now, full semester (but so drawn out!) and we still use that textbook textbook. CSI is mentioned in it and all of the sample MARs in it are from SIUH with the logo removed.

    Some of the classes have changed around. No more chem needed at all for the associates, but 2 chem classes are required for the BSN.

    Major changes to the campus these days though. They're building dorms as well as a very large new academic building which many departments are expected to move into.
    Read the Advance on line at least every other day so knew about the changes to CSI's campus including the dorms. Pass the place all the time when home on the Island as it's part of my "service road tour" to get from family out by Mariners Harbor on my way to the expressway/VNB go get back home to Manhattan. It's so funny because years ago as children we used to go for family outings there. There was a picnic grounds, swings, a lake with ducks (that one could feed with scraps of bread), swings, etc...

    Another interesting tidbit: many minority nurses from SICC and elsewhere worked at the old Willowbrook State school and Seaview Hospital near Susan Wagner. Rumor has it those were the two places that hired "minority" nurses back in the day. Indeed the area called "Dogpatch" down from Seaview got it's name because many minority nurses and other workers from Seaview moved/lived there. The other nice place was the Todt Hill Houses, though wouldn't live there today if you paid me.

    The only person I *think* is still at CSI one remembers is Prof *. She taught A&P back in my day but think she teaches something else now.

    Med dose calc back then was a terror. First because you also were doing Med/Surg I (though in those days the first few clinicals were spent doing beds, AM care, etc.., and also had A&PII. Whatever methods Professor O uses today back in the 1980's it was still the old fashioned standard used by nurses since what? WWII? Not a whiff of dimensional analysis either. No caculators, show all work and one could only use the assigned formulas,period. Oh and we had to memorise all the conversions including apothecary such as grains to mg, drams to mL, etc....

    Shame CSI stopped their capping and pinning ceremony and students from wearing their caps at clinicals. The school had a very distinctive cap that was different from many others, the closest would have been the old Saint Vinny's cap. The uniform was the same standard light blue dress or pants suit with white bib job many schools still use today, though more often housekeeping or assistants.

    Back in the day Saint George was sort of like downtown Staten Island, especially Saint Mark's Place. Between CSI, the courts, NYPD 120, brough hall, banks and such the place was really busy during the week at least. Even early evenings as CSI had evening classes there as well. Now when I drive through there I keep on going, fast! *LOL*
    Last edit by Silverdragon102 on Feb 16, '13 : Reason: initial removed
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    Yep, now they won't even let you in the door without one. No longer a rumor. Memo came down last week. Hospital employees who were in nursing school as of Dec 31st last year are grandfathered in though for Associates degree, but must still of course obtain BSN within 5 years of transfer to RN.


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