New York State Mandated Vaccinations

prisonnurse02 · Oct 14, 2009

updated guidance on pandemic preparedness in the workplace from the u.s. equal employment opportunity commission

check out the above link. it will answer your question.

polish nurse · Oct 14, 2009

today's New York Times (10/14) has an article stating that the NY Civil Liberties Union is requesting the Health Commissioner to withdraw the requirement. :yeah:

kpwesthillnurse · Oct 14, 2009

hey everyone,
considering that flu vaccines are being mandated here in ny (which includes h1n1 in addition to the regular flu vacc), does anyone know of any groups taking action against this? i've been reading up on this issue here on the boards and over the web and i'm wondering if anyone has any additional information. basically, i am looking to see if anyone has raised the issue of this being against our rights at a legislative level (regardless of whether you are for or against the vaccs). has anyone heard of any legal action being taken? (individually or not) other than just arguing opinions and justifications, i want to know how this is being handled considering there is (in my belief) a violation of personal rights.
:confused:
amms

check on : http://www.infowars.com there is a lot debating of these issue and you can be guided with the action. these are signs of the times.

sabrina3 · Oct 14, 2009

personally i think getting a vaccine is a personal choice. i will not get one for various reasons. i ran accross article and found it interesting. maybe there is something in the article that will help.

us judge rules against compulsory vaccinations http://www.ireport.com/docs/doc-335421?ref=feeds%2flatest

Armygirl7 · Oct 14, 2009

There was apparently a hearing today at NY State Supreme Court - this NY Nurse has filed a lawsuit--

http://www.nysna.org/practice/main.htm

If you can't get the link to open just google NYSNA and on their homepage are links to these articles and to some new testimony they provided.

kpwesthillnurse · Oct 14, 2009

i agree however researching it closely it is the perfect catch to instill and imbue the psychological concept of fear all in the name of being a threat to national homeland security, thereby paving the way for smooth impositioned transition of a martial healthcare versus the need and its perceived threat to health, asking

what constitutes the shot? microchip that monitors or uses surveillance to medical records and accessibility? medical side effects? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4smfxyust0&feature=fvw

though these will initially be faced with resistance as quoted in your column this will be overpowered under a hidden medical agenda compromising healthcare. whats behind these coerced impositions? curtailment of rights to decide. a good front to progress a north american using medical emergencies as a real threat that needs to be addressed. it is obviously a medical indoctrination happening really fast.forced mass quarantine and inoculations? morgue operations and militia? seems too off since a pandemic is coming, and a military policing on schools for those who refuse to be vaccinated?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibwbjquvynu&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1nlbz8b4fa&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okoy1-joqjk

personally i think getting a vaccine is a personal choice. i will not get one for various reasons. i ran accross article and found it interesting. maybe there is something in the article that will help.
us judge rules against compulsory vaccinations http://www.ireport.com/docs/doc-335421?ref=feeds%2flatest

zebsmom2002 · Oct 15, 2009

Because some people are unable to get the vaccine (ex: allergy), an EEOC case may be helpful--prevented from working due to disability (allergy to the vaccine). You really don't have any rights to speak of, due to the public health nature of the problem. You may be able to argue that requiring vaccination with a vaccine that's not proven effective is pointless (as opposed to, say, the MMR, TdAP, polio, VZV etc requirements)... but it's a pretty thin arguement.

HeartofJack · Oct 16, 2009

I'm a new grad (got my RN license in July) and I'm in a BSN program, continuing my education. This very issue was one of our forum discussions, talking about the ethics involved and who has what rights in this situation. In regard to legislation and legal precedence, I found the following web site article VERY helpful: http://homelandsecurity.tamu.edu/framework/special-issues-border-security-immigration/immigration/crs-report-for-congress-mandatory-vaccinations-precedent-and-current-laws.html/

It's key to remember that we all have choices in this. You do have the right to choose, but understand that your choice has consequences, regardless of the choice.

The following is a bit of what I wrote in our forum:

"Many states implemented mandatory vaccinations after measles outbreaks in the 1960s and 1970s and has expanded to include diphtheria, rubella and polio among others (requirements vary from state to state). More recently, however, states have allowed exemptions based on medical, religious or philosophical reasons (widely debated for their merit, interpretation and enforcement).

Most courts have allowed enforcement of "public health emergency" laws regarding, among other things, mandatory vaccinations. Even in emergent situations, people may refuse vaccination, but may be placed in isolation/quarantine for the duration of the emergency period. Remember Typhoid Mary? Regardless, it is at the state and local level that responsibility resides with regard to protecting public health. It seems that New York is the first to take a stance on this issue during this particular season.

With regard to mandatory vaccinations in the private sector (employer-mandated), most companies understand risk management and reduction of liability. If they allow an employee to not be vaccinated and that person is identified as the modern-day "Typhoid Mary", the company may be liable for any resulting infections, illnesses, medical costs, loss of wages, etc. I see this as their way of protecting themselves and I agree with that decision, in principal, as long as their decision is an informed decision based on evidence-based practice. I, as the employee, also have the right to refuse, but I need to understand that this decision may negatively impact my employment, up to and including termination.

Again, it comes down to weighing the cost versus benefit and that is a very personal decision that each person must decide for themselves and those in their family, but to not force any one decision upon anyone."

Alternatives are available to the vaccination (talk with your local herbalist, naturopathic/homeopathic physician, Chinese doctor, etc.)

Spreading fear and false information and playing the role of Henny-penny is counterproductive and dangerous and frankly is not my style. My choice is to educate my family, friends, community, patients, and let them decide what they think is best for them.

I hope this helps! Be well and remember to smile... we're all neighbors. :loveya:

-Jack

HeartofJack · Oct 16, 2009

So since there's no national mandate, is it legal for states to mandate this vaccine?

Check out this web site: http://homelandsecurity.tamu.edu/framework/special-issues-border-security-immigration/immigration/crs-report-for-congress-mandatory-vaccinations-precedent-and-current-laws.html/

In the US, health matters are handled at the state/regional level not at the national level - that's why national organizations (CDC, etc.) only make recommendations, not mandates.

Hope this helps!

-Jack

Armygirl7 · Oct 16, 2009

Breaking news:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/judge-halts-mandatory-flu-vaccines-for-health-care-workers/?hp

zebsmom2002 · Oct 16, 2009

Jack, well said!

momhealingsons · Oct 17, 2009

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/16/judge-halts-mandatory-flu-vaccines-for-health-care-workers/