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No. 10
Old Oct 05, 2009, 06:19 PM
Updated Oct 05, 2009 at 06:24 PM by CrunchyMama

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Then I can understand why these nurses are suing. It's against the law to force someone to get vaccinated....doesn't matter where the person works or goes to school. :/ How ridiculous! If someone can die or have a serious reaction to a vaccine....the law protects them. The hospital should honor that. Or if it's against someones religous beliefs because of the aborted fetal tissue or other animal products in the vaccine...the law protects them. And again the hospital should honor that. We have freedom of religion and should have freedom of choice in this country, why because it's a hospital should it be any different?
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No. 11
from tewdles
Old Oct 06, 2009, 11:39 AM

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Perhaps I am missing something...as far as I can see there is NO MANDATE from CDC or from US Dept Health and Human Services for the H1N1 vaccination. It appears that the mandates are individual, state, or regional but not national. And, I am not finding anything thing that reveals "get the shot or get fired" ultimatums...only the "get the shot or wear the mask, etc" type of mandates. While I believe that employer mandates in the absence of CDC recommendations for such are overreaction, I also believe that mischaracterizing the nature of an employer mandate is "overreacting".
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No. 12
from Armygirl7
Old Oct 06, 2009, 03:22 PM
Updated Oct 06, 2009 at 03:32 PM by Armygirl7

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from tewdles: " as far as I can see there is NO MANDATE from CDC or from US Dept Health and Human Services for the H1N1 vaccination."

Right. Which is one of the things NYSNA brings up in their letter and testimony because there IS a mandate in NY state. This is a NY State DOH Mandate - not an individual employer mandate. You copy? So.....that's why everyone is watching NY to see how are the hospitals going to handle this. Are you up to date with what is ACTUALLY going on here in NY?

While I believe that employer mandates in the absence of CDC recommendations for such are overreaction, I also believe that mischaracterizing the nature of an employer mandate is "overreacting".

Where has anyone in this thread mischaracterized the nature of this unprecedented state mandate?
Do you work or go to school in NY? Did your program director tell you if you don't get vaccinated you can't continue in the program because you will not be allowed into clinicals??

Because mine did.

So where is the mischaracterization? Also- I don't know how hospitals will handle the number of employees who refuse -- that's why I ask those questions, that's why NYSNA is asking those questions. What will the hospital do about employees who refuse? Where is there any level of "mischaracterization" in that question??

Seriously - the original poster asked "Does anyone know about any groups taking action against this?" and so I am sharing my ACTUAL experience with what is ACTUALLY happening here to me in NY!!

So do YOU know about any groups taking action against this? Please share!
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No. 13
Old Oct 06, 2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tewdles View Post
Perhaps I am missing something...as far as I can see there is NO MANDATE from CDC or from US Dept Health and Human Services for the H1N1 vaccination. It appears that the mandates are individual, state, or regional but not national. And, I am not finding anything thing that reveals "get the shot or get fired" ultimatums...only the "get the shot or wear the mask, etc" type of mandates. While I believe that employer mandates in the absence of CDC recommendations for such are overreaction, I also believe that mischaracterizing the nature of an employer mandate is "overreacting".
It's been on our news quite frequently. Area nurses are making a big deal out of it....which they should! The CDC may not have mandated it for every state but apparently NY has. My prof even stated that she knows a lot of different nurses from different hospitals that are upset about it. Whether they roll over and take it or will they fight it is another issue though.
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No. 14
from tewdles
Old Oct 06, 2009, 04:49 PM

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Please don't misunderstand...I believe that threatening a nurse with termination if the H1N1 vaccine is refused is wrong on many levels. THAT is my point in stating that there is NO NATIONAL mandate...the state and the employers are overreacting! Additionally, if people are stating that they are threatened with dismissal when in fact they are being required to wear masks or some other "remedy" for not vaccinating, then they ARE mischaracterizing. Allowing unvaccinated student nurses into clinical areas is quite another issue.
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No. 15
Old Oct 06, 2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tewdles View Post
Please don't misunderstand...I believe that threatening a nurse with termination if the H1N1 vaccine is refused is wrong on many levels. THAT is my point in stating that there is NO NATIONAL mandate...the state and the employers are overreacting! Additionally, if people are stating that they are threatened with dismissal when in fact they are being required to wear masks or some other "remedy" for not vaccinating, then they ARE mischaracterizing. Allowing unvaccinated student nurses into clinical areas is quite another issue.
So since there's no national mandate, is it legal for states to mandate this vaccine? Not asking you specifically....perhaps I should forward this question to a lawyer, lol. I don't know....I just think this whole thing is ridiculous and being blown way out of proportion! I personally don't know the exact words of these employers but from what I've seen from news reporters and from articles online is that their jobs are being threatened if they refuse the vaccine. I'm not sure how you feel about student nurses being vaccinated but going by your last sentence, I'm assuming you think they/we should be? I'm a student nurse and I don't think we should be "required" to get the vaccine either. We all should be able to make the decision for ourself and not have some scared employer freak everyone out and demand everyone get vaccinated. I hope I'm not seeming like I'm directing my frustrations at you....I'm just putting my opinions out there and my disgust with our society when it comes to topics like these.
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No. 16
from tewdles
Old Oct 07, 2009, 12:43 PM

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CrunchyMama...whether or not students are "required" to get the vaccine is a completely different legal and ethical question. Students are not employees of the school or of the facilities in which they train. There is a legal responsibility and accountability on the part of the school to provide for the safety of the patients, staff, and visitors who come into contact with the students. This, of course, includes things like determining that the student is not going to expose pregnant women to varicella, infants to pertussis, sick people to TB, etc. The schools in the "overreacting" states are in a bit of a pickle, how do they justify mandating something that is only recommended by the CDC yet not trample on the civil liberties of their clients (the students)? If only there were simple answers to these questions...
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No. 17
from Armygirl7
Old Oct 07, 2009, 01:59 PM

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Updated info from NYSNA:


Coalition Opposes Mandate:

http://www.nysna.org/practice/h1n1/coalition_ltr.htm
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No. 18
Old Oct 07, 2009, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Armygirl7 View Post
Updated info from NYSNA:


Coalition Opposes Mandate:

http://www.nysna.org/practice/h1n1/coalition_ltr.htm
Awesome!! So does this have to be approved by the governor?
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No. 19
Old Oct 07, 2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tewdles View Post
CrunchyMama...whether or not students are "required" to get the vaccine is a completely different legal and ethical question. Students are not employees of the school or of the facilities in which they train. There is a legal responsibility and accountability on the part of the school to provide for the safety of the patients, staff, and visitors who come into contact with the students. This, of course, includes things like determining that the student is not going to expose pregnant women to varicella, infants to pertussis, sick people to TB, etc. The schools in the "overreacting" states are in a bit of a pickle, how do they justify mandating something that is only recommended by the CDC yet not trample on the civil liberties of their clients (the students)? If only there were simple answers to these questions...
I understand the concern of the schools and the hospitals, I really do. But frankly, I'm more concerned of catching something from patients (they're the ones there for a reason). What makes more sense is vaccinating every patient that rolls in the door. It's a hard situation and I'm sure this national discussion will be going on for awhile.
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