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Mar 19, 2007 04:27 PM

subdural drain...what to do?


I am a new grad in a critical residency (we orient ect. for 6months in Neuro/Burn & Cardiac Icu)...so with that said. I had a pt with subdural hematoma. I did find that it is common to put a subdural drain in however I was unable to find what is best practice to care for that drain. The drain stopped putting out (it was draining about 10ml/hr). We received order to irrigate w/ 5-10ml q1hr. Any insight is welcomed.

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from beatarmy
Old Mar 19, 2007, 08:05 PM

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A subdural drain will stop putting out, once the blood is evacuated and the bleeding has stopped. Generally, then the surgeon d/c's the drain, and everyone gets on with their lives.
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from APNgonnabe
Old Mar 20, 2007, 04:48 PM

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so have you heard of irrigating?
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from beatarmy
Old Mar 20, 2007, 06:47 PM

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Never heard of irrigating a subdural drain, but I assume it's to ensure that the line there's no more drainage, rather than the line being clotted.
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from GrnHonu99
Old Apr 07, 2007, 12:35 AM

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I have irrigatated a SD drain, however, usually if it stops putting out then that means there isnt anything else to come out.
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from gasmaster
Old Apr 11, 2007, 12:35 PM

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Yes, have irrigated them as well. Typically you never insert more than 5ml at a time per AANN standards. Also make sure it's non-bacteriostatic saline. Usually though we just pull the darn things once they stop. You run a high risk with irrigation because many patients will develop pneumocephaly once the blood has drained and flushing can trap the air resulting in tension pneumocephaly.
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from Indy
Old Apr 15, 2007, 05:51 AM

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Allright, silly question. What's the difference between saline and bacteriostatic saline? My facility's pharmacy doesn't stock bacteriostatic saline per policy.
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from gasmaster
Old Apr 18, 2007, 07:56 AM

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Bacteriostatic saline has preservatives in it. You have to use the preservative free saline for the brain. Bacteriostatic saline can cause brain tissue necrosis, abcess, seizures, and/or meningitis. Not anything you want to subject your patient to. That's why you want to make sure that all meds given intrathecal are preservative free as well.
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from LadyNASDAQ
Old Apr 25, 2007, 06:33 PM

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Yep, I've seen that irrigating order lots of times. I always, always refuse to follow that. I tell the Doc that I was taught this was a Dr. only thing to do and will NEVER follow that order. It's easy to do and it can also get you into court really fast! Any changes after you as the Nurse do it is all the way your fault. My ICU Teacher was an awesome Nurse. This was >20 years ago but that one lecture has kept me safe and sound for almost 30 years of practice.
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from auzzieneuronurse
Old May 03, 2007, 07:51 PM

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I've never irrigated a subdural drain or heard of them being irrigated. ???fairly uncommon practice. Post evacuation of SDH the pt would be lying flat for 24-48/24 with the drain tube on thumb print suction and lower that the patients head. Once the drainage has slowed/stopped its generally time for the medical staff to remove them. Surely instructions to irrigate every hour would dramatically increased the risks of infection opening up a sterile system each time????
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