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Aug 24, 2009 08:14 AM

what?...q 15 NIBPs with an art line???

by ICUmama

I have worked in many different ICUs and never seen this before...checking cuff pressures q 15 when you have an A line that correlates perfectly. (and documenting BOTH!) I just started working in a very large metropolitan hosp MICU/SICU and that's the standard. Every patient with an A line and on pressors-- no matter what. This seems completely ridiculous and i am just wondering if any other ICUs do the same. If the pressures correlate why would you even think of torturing the pt with q 15 NIBPS????


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from PICNICRN
Old Aug 24, 2009, 11:58 AM

Default Re: what?...q 15 NIBPs with an art line???
Sounds like a little much to me! Our policy is Q 4 hours if the cuff/Aline correlates and honestly I think it could be Q shift. I mean if you have a dampened wave or if you are not correlating that is another story. I will put the cuff back on and check a pressure if I have some big change in the BP norm for the pt. I will also put it on and cycle the cuff if my pt becomes hypotensive and I'm going up up up on pressors, or if we're coding the pt. Other that that- give their poor arm a rest.
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from PiPhi2004
Old Aug 24, 2009, 02:31 PM

Default Re: what?...q 15 NIBPs with an art line???
I know people who do this, we have no policy on it and I have better things to do with my time so I don't do it, plus why have a BP cuff going off q15 on a poor persons arm? Unless you're having problems with the art line, then sure.
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No. 3
Old Aug 25, 2009, 11:05 AM

Default Re: what?...q 15 NIBPs with an art line???
I don't chart NIBP q15 when I have an a-line, but I do chart a cuff pressure on the hour.
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No. 4
from CVRN11
Old Aug 25, 2009, 03:28 PM

Default Re: what?...q 15 NIBPs with an art line???
Could you explain your rationale for taking a cuff pressure every hour? I'm curious to the benefit for the patient if your Aline is correlating.
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Old Aug 26, 2009, 06:43 PM

Default Re: what?...q 15 NIBPs with an art line???
I correlate during my initial shift assessment; if it's good I reassess every 4 hours. We don't have a specific policy either for correlation or charting. I only chart the art line in the flowsheet, but I always make sure to document the cuff correlation in my q4hours narrative notes.

To be perfectly honest, q15 sounds like overkill to me unless they're very hemodynamically unstable.
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No. 6
Old Aug 26, 2009, 08:19 PM

Default Re: what?...q 15 NIBPs with an art line???
I'm thinking about the ecchymosis that might result from such a ridiculous regimen, especially in coagulopathic patients.
It's just dumb, IMHO.
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from PrairieRN
Old Aug 26, 2009, 09:09 PM

Default Re: what?...q 15 NIBPs with an art line???
Our policy is to check cuff pressures q12h when an art line is present. But we use our nursing judgement and recheck if pressor requirements go up or the waveform dampens. Doesn't seem to be fair to the pt. to do cuff pressures so frequently when an art. line is present.
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from dorimar
Old Aug 26, 2009, 10:11 PM

Default Re: what?...q 15 NIBPs with an art line???
I always check a cuff pressure at the beginning of my shift to ensure the aline correlates closely. If it does, I don't check again unless I have a questionable pressure by aline, or a questionable waveform. The only time I will do cuff pressures Q15 min with an aline is if my patient is hemodynamically unstable &/or I am titrating pressors, the aline waveform is known to be dampened and cannot be fixed but is still good to draw frequent required ABGs, and patient is a difficult stick. Then I will leave the line in, lower my alarm parameters on the aline to the dampened lower level (never turn them off), make sure my NIBP alarms are set appropriately, and go by teh NIBP.
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from Chisca
Old Aug 27, 2009, 09:31 AM

Default Re: what?...q 15 NIBPs with an art line???
Correlates? Measurement of the blood pressure by art line is the gold standard, if there was a difference between NIBP and an art line that has a proper wave form, correctly calibrated, and zeroed then the art line is the real BP. NIBP measures systolic and diastolic by calculation after it finds the strongest signal. Ever notice how the NIBP MAP is different than the standard formula to determine MAP? If you really are interested in correlation use your stethoscope and a manometer but the A line is the most accurate measurement of BP.
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