Policy development: Central lines

  1. Sitting on a policy and procedure committee. Do you have a limit on the number of days a central line can remain in place? Care to share some evidence used to support this decision? Thanks for your input!
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  2. 18 Comments

  3. by   ckh23
    I don't have any evidence off hand, but our policy is every 7 days the site must be changed. However, if it's a groin line I believe the max is either 24 or 48 hrs.
  4. by   detroitdano
    No time limit here. They usually end up coming out if there's a fever of unknown origin and a culture comes back positive through the line and not a peripheral stick.

    Dressing changes are at least every 7 days. Fem sites always seem to get filthy easily, they really should have a time limit.
  5. by   meandragonbrett
    No set time limit on line sites. If we suspect they are infected we do a new stick. Femoral lines we try to get out in 24 hours or less....just depends on how bad we really need that line.
  6. by   PreemieNurse
    Hi folks, need your input. I am an instructor in a nursing program and there seems to be some confusion concerning size of syringe when giving a med through a central/PICC line. 10 cc we know if you are using capped line...but what if you are administering through the Y site farther back from the cap (continuous IV infusing)..what size syringe..still a 10? I thought I read a couple of years back that you could use a 3 cc syringe of med only at the Y site....but of course, don't know where I read that.
  7. by   detroitdano
    Quote from PreemieNurse
    Hi folks, need your input. I am an instructor in a nursing program and there seems to be some confusion concerning size of syringe when giving a med through a central/PICC line. 10 cc we know if you are using capped line...but what if you are administering through the Y site farther back from the cap (continuous IV infusing)..what size syringe..still a 10? I thought I read a couple of years back that you could use a 3 cc syringe of med only at the Y site....but of course, don't know where I read that.
    It's medicine, it doesn't care what size syringe it's in, it's still gonna do the same job.
  8. by   Creamsoda
    Quote from detroitdano
    It's medicine, it doesn't care what size syringe it's in, it's still gonna do the same job.
    I think its the pressure that a 3 cc syringe causes that causes concern, but I dont really know if it matteres anymore these days. Most piccs are power piccs and can handle it and you can push IV contrast under pressure ect,, and central lines are capeable of tolerating it I think, but the rationale we had in nursing school a few years ago was that 3 cc causes too much pressure. The wider 10 cc syringes are supposed to be better.
  9. by   PreemieNurse
    That is what is being practiced in this area. The 3cc syringes exert too much PSI on the tip of the catheter and can actually tear the tip off, causing it to end up in the circulation. Not a good thing. 10cc much lower PSI, which is why they are being used and why we continue to teach that practice.
  10. by   NicuGal
    We put our meds on a pump, some of our meds come in under 1ml so we don't have a choice but to use that syringe. But we always flush with a 10ml syringe because of the lower PSI.
  11. by   detroitdano
    Quote from PreemieNurse
    That is what is being practiced in this area. The 3cc syringes exert too much PSI on the tip of the catheter and can actually tear the tip off, causing it to end up in the circulation. Not a good thing. 10cc much lower PSI, which is why they are being used and why we continue to teach that practice.
    So how do you give 2 mg of Haldol, 10 mg Hydralazine, etc.? The doses are less than an mL. Draw it up in a heparin syringe and shoot it into a 10 mL syringe?
  12. by   Da_Milk_of_Amnesia
    If your slamming something into someone (which you shouldn't be doing anywayssss) then I can see the high PSI, but if ur just giving a little squirt every 15-30 seconds then I have trouble believing that you'd tear the tip of a CVL off. But if someone has some literature on it I would love to see it.
  13. by   steelydanfan
    Quote from detroitdano
    So how do you give 2 mg of Haldol, 10 mg Hydralazine, etc.? The doses are less than an mL. Draw it up in a heparin syringe and shoot it into a 10 mL syringe?
    Yeah, you pull it up into a 1 ml syringe, then empty THAT into a partialy emptied 10cc NS syringe. Inject solution over time as specified. Or, hook into a port in the main IV, pull up some of the maintainence fluids and inject slowly as specified. Either way, you have a dilute solution you can control.
  14. by   burn out
    I guess it may depend on the reason for the line, I kept a c-line 6 months in a patient in home care to receive chemo. It was removed because the chemo was over. No infections no problems.

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