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No. 20
from poppy07
Old May 13, 2008, 09:12 PM

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i always like that one, "just curious...if you could explain that to me for my own learning purposes!" It really puts them on their toes. Some attendings actually are grateful for these questions.
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No. 21
Old May 13, 2008, 10:32 PM

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As with other posters we will go very high with Levo, I've seen upwards to 200 mcg, with vaso etc. Have to change the bag every 2 hours it was infusing so quickly at double strength (reg strength is 8mg in 250 at my facility). Sorry you were so freaked! sounds like a BADDD nite.
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No. 22
Old May 15, 2008, 12:18 PM

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Was an echo ever done? It sounds like it was more than a gtt issue.. was cardiac tamponade ever ruled out? if the systolic and diastolic were really that close.. sounds like tamponade to me...No amount of medication could have helped this - only a tap!
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No. 23
from foxyhill21
Old May 23, 2008, 12:38 AM

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Lifelongstudent: sounds like you work at a very very intense ICU, I would love that type of experience

Originally Posted by lifeLONGstudent View Post
[To answer the original question: I had a patient not too long ago that was on 300 mcgs of Neo, 90 mcs of Levo (that was the DOCs set max, not our hospital policy max), 20mcg of Dopamine and 0.04 units/min Vasopressin. I started CRRT that night AFTER we went to CT (THAT was a fun trip!). Also had HCO3 gtt for a pH of 6.8.... Fentanyl and Versed for sedation (intubated). After 3 weeks in MICU, pt was on weaning trials, successfully extubated and moved out to the floor. I didn't think she would live through the night.... neither did the docs. Makes me think twice about ever deciding to withdraw on anyone in my family.



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No. 24
Old May 27, 2008, 10:21 AM

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ohhh yaaaaaa.
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No. 25
from Conrad283
Old May 28, 2008, 07:11 PM

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I have only gone up to 15mcg's ( I have 1.5 months of exp ) but my wife says she's gone up to 64 mcg's.
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No. 26
from dittydo
Old May 29, 2008, 12:01 PM

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I have never thought of levo having a max rate. At my current facility, they were using 30mcg/min as the max. A yr ago, our new groupof intensivists became frustrated realizing that the staff were saying that the "levo is maxed out" based on the 30mcg/min. So we changed it to mcg/kg/min. It took a bit of education because the dosages are so different. The mcg/KG/min dose range is 0.03-3 mcg/kg/min. For a 75 kg pt, 3 mcg/kg/min runs at 850ml/hr. Inadvertently misplacing a decimal pt can make huge change in the dose. But because it's levo it will be noticed immediately.
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No. 27
from chani
Old Nov 25, 2008, 03:27 AM

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highest inotrope rate for was in a 16yr old with meningococcal sepsis (before Xygris) was quad strength noradrenaline [aussie for levophed] (24mg in 100mls) at 80mls per hour PLUS the same in adrenaline. She also had fulll invasive monitoring AND plasmaexchange AND haemofilitration. These rates went on for 2 days before bilateral below knee amputations. When desperate you do desperate things.

Did she live? Indeed she did. The cost was her kidneys her legs and arms below elbows. Now this was 12 years ago.

However racingmum it doesn't sound like your patient was getting optimal therapy as pointed out by other posters. If the above patient happened again it would be xygris and/or IABP much sooner OR amputation of severely effected limbs sooner OR BOTH. For the record dopamine or dobutamine are not used in adult intensive care units for shock. Adrenaline or levophed are the inotropes/vasopressors of choice.
Not wishing to generalise too much but I think WE are luckier than most of our north american cousins in that we generally have closed ICUs run by trained intensivists who develop close relationships with the nursing staff AND one-to-one nursing for ventilated patients. SO getting your point across can be easier.
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No. 28
from scarymary
Old Nov 26, 2008, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chani View Post
highest inotrope rate for was in a 16yr old with meningococcal sepsis (before Xygris) was quad strength noradrenaline [aussie for levophed] (24mg in 100mls) at 80mls per hour PLUS the same in adrenaline. She also had fulll invasive monitoring AND plasmaexchange AND haemofilitration. These rates went on for 2 days before bilateral below knee amputations. When desperate you do desperate things.

Did she live? Indeed she did. The cost was her kidneys her legs and arms below elbows. Now this was 12 years ago.

However racingmum it doesn't sound like your patient was getting optimal therapy as pointed out by other posters. If the above patient happened again it would be xygris and/or IABP much sooner OR amputation of severely effected limbs sooner OR BOTH. For the record dopamine or dobutamine are not used in adult intensive care units for shock. Adrenaline or levophed are the inotropes/vasopressors of choice.
Not wishing to generalise too much but I think WE are luckier than most of our north american cousins in that we generally have closed ICUs run by trained intensivists who develop close relationships with the nursing staff AND one-to-one nursing for ventilated patients. SO getting your point across can be easier.
Same here, we have a closed unit and one-to-one nursing which generally makes for a better working relationship.

The most I have used was quad strength noradrenaline (320mcgs/ml) at 50mls per hour, plus adrenaline, pt arrested on arrival, got him back, started on filter, bp crashed again, pt navy blue despite vent...crashed and died. The awful thing was the family were willing to let him go and the doctor just kept on banging out the orders, effectively he deprived the family of the chance of spending some time with the patient.

Sometimes it isn't 'can we' but rather 'should we'.
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No. 29
Old Nov 26, 2008, 03:26 PM

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220. Needless to say, the patient didn't make it.
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