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No. 40
from mmutk
Old Mar 12, 2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dorie43rn View Post
Ok, forget everything I said about Med surg vs ICU. Here is the best reason to work med surg, and this is going to make all the ICU nurses who went straight to ICU mad, but I don't care. I know in my hospital, ICU nurses have a certain reputation for being mean b's who think they run the hospital. Do you know the ones with that attitude?
Hey don't leave us ER nurses out of this, you know the whole hospital says we talk down to all the 'floor' nurses too... and what is this bed bath you speak of???!

Well it's true
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No. 41
from Preeps
Old Jul 27, 2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by c0ntagion View Post
Um, for one thing, I don't know many med surg nurses who know how to do an adenosine push. That's not something one would typically be pushing on a med surg floor. In fact, if someone needed adenosine on the floor, it's likely an ICU nurse would be the one responding to the rapid response call, thus being the one to push it. Secondly, simple IVP drugs are something a person should have learned how to do in school or during their preceptorship. If not, it's not like it's something too complicated to learn.

I had absolutely no desire to work in med surg. I don't belittle the nurses who choose to do so. I actually applaud them because I know how bad it can be out there, and they do have to know a lot to do their jobs.

I have always wanted to work in critical care, and I started in the CVICU as a new grad and I have been there a little over a year now. While I know that I'm not the best nurse in the unit, I do know that I am a rising star. I love talking to the veteran nurses and I do go to them for help when I don't know something. Keep in mind, the questions I usually ask them are things a med surg nurse wouldn't know. I jumped right in and was taking high acutiy patients without difficulty after coming off orientation. Other nurses compliment me on how well I am doing. Doctors listen to my suggestions and respect my judgement (well the ones who aren't jerks...), and I listen to theirs. I'm a team player, and I help my fellow nurses when they're in a bind. I have responded to RRTs on med surg floors when the lead was busy with another one. I feel like I was adequately prepared to be an ICU nurse as a new grad, and I have never regretted not starting in med surg.

I think there are a handful of new grads who are adequately prepared to go straight to the ICU if they choose, and there are definitely those who need more experience first... but don't tell me you don't think I can kick it because I can--and do!
I'm sorry but your post seems very puffed up for lack of a better word.. . You seem not only condescending to nurses who don't care to work in ICU but also extremely naive. you say you've been a nures for one year, and that "doctors listen to your suggestions, except for the jerks" (of course!). Of course you are a self proclaimed "rising star!" Is anyone who doesn't automatically a jerk? I would fear any MD who would take advise from a novice nurse in the ICU!

I fear someone needs a reality check-and fast!
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No. 42
from c0ntagion
Old Jul 28, 2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Preeps View Post
I'm sorry but your post seems very puffed up for lack of a better word.. . You seem not only condescending to nurses who don't care to work in ICU but also extremely naive. you say you've been a nures for one year, and that "doctors listen to your suggestions, except for the jerks" (of course!). Of course you are a self proclaimed "rising star!" Is anyone who doesn't automatically a jerk? I would fear any MD who would take advise from a novice nurse in the ICU!

I fear someone needs a reality check-and fast!
Really? I was simply trying to emphasize that it's not necessary to have experience to be a good nurse as a new grad in the ICU.

I'm certainly not condescending to floor nurses, I just recognize the fact that there are differences... I personally don't think I could handle 6 med surg patients without pulling my hair out, but I can handle 2 critically ill patients.

Yes, I do speak to the doctors, and I do ask a lot of questions, especially when I feel that something isn't right, or why something isn't done a different way. A lot of doctors respect my opinion, and I am very interested in their rationales for certain orders. It's all about learning and realizing that nobody knows everything. Every doctor and every nurse can learn from one another. That's why we are a health care team. When I first started as a new nurse, I used to be afraid to call certain docs because of their reputations for yelling at nurses who called them in the middle of the night. This is no different for any new grad, on any floor.

Most of the time when I call a doc, he/she is not mad because I'm calling due to something important/critical I have found in my assessment. They know from working with me that I'm not calling for something petty, or for something that could wait until morning.

We all know the "jerk" docs I am referring to... i.e. some of the brand new July residents who think that they are above nurses just because they have the title MD behind their name. These are the docs whom you've called 3 different times throughout the night because you feel your patient is having a hard time breathing. These are the docs who get mad and refuse to even come see the patient, order ABGs, CXRs, etc. This is when you come back the next night and see that the patient was emergently intubated an hour after your shift ended.

When a certain doc who is notorious for being somewhat crochety and picky calls me on the spur of the moment and asks if I am taking care of his fresh post-op LVAD patient and says "Oh good," it makes me think that I must be a pretty good nurse since the only other time I've heard him say that was to nurses who have been in the ICU for over 10 years.

I am the type of person who will admit when I am wrong. I view everything as a learning experience. My whole point in posting was to encourage people who are considering starting out in ICU. Some of us are better suited to certain areas of nursing. My area is not the floor, and it's not because I think floor nurses lack intelligence or skill. In fact, if someone threw out into med surg, I would probably look like a deer in the headlights because I don't have the types of skills suited to maintaining 6 different patients at once. I'm far too Type A for that. If you look at the personalities of ICU nurses, you will find that a lot of us are. All I'm saying is that it's possible to succeed as a new grad in the ICU.
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No. 43
Old Jul 28, 2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Preeps View Post
. I would fear any MD who would take advise from a novice nurse in the ICU!

I fear someone needs a reality check-and fast!
I think the reality check needs to come to you. And I'm not being rude when I say that. If you fear any MD who takes advice from novice ICU nurses, then you have a LOT of MDs to fear. You saying this tells me that you not only do not work in an ICU, and have no idea the role of an ICU nurse, but you don't know what it's like to work in a teaching hospital.

I was giving advice (correct advice) to MDs within my first year as well. And refusing to follow some of their orders, and following up the chain to the attending...all within my first year. You should see the advice I "give" to them now!


Oh, gotta love July...
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No. 44
Old Jul 28, 2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by c0ntagion View Post
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We all know the "jerk" docs I am referring to... i.e. some of the brand new July residents who think that they are above nurses just because they have the title MD behind their name..

Oh, but they learn quickly don't they?
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No. 45
from Lari45
Old Jul 28, 2009, 11:30 PM

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The best thing I can say is you had better get into an ICU with a GOOD support network. when I started, there were 5 other nurses starting and they were ALL new grads. I had some floor experience behind me and that helped with organization, internal system knowledge, and 'where things are', but it was a whole new world.

The scariest part was not feeling supported with a good nurse educator, a senior nurse on each shift, or a resource person to go to with questions. Preceptor programs are great, especially if they combine with some classroom time, nurse educators are invaluable. You don't HAVE to have floor experience to work in an ICU but you must have a lot of support for safe learning.

ICU nursing is VERY VERY hard. It's tough mental work. Be prepared. Be safe.
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No. 46
Old Jul 29, 2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Preeps View Post
I'm sorry but your post seems very puffed up for lack of a better word.. . You seem not only condescending to nurses who don't care to work in ICU but also extremely naive. you say you've been a nures for one year, and that "doctors listen to your suggestions, except for the jerks" (of course!). Of course you are a self proclaimed "rising star!" Is anyone who doesn't automatically a jerk? I would fear any MD who would take advise from a novice nurse in the ICU!

I fear someone needs a reality check-and fast!

Wow, something crawled up yours, huh! I was also "making suggestions" to the docs in my first year as an ICU nurse and they were asking my opinion as well. When you've walked in our shoes what you have to say will actually have merit. As for now, you don't seem to have a clue. It sounds like you're a little bitter; turned down for an ICU position somewhere?

No offense intended!
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No. 47
from whip65
Old Aug 03, 2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dorie43rn View Post
Umm, with all your "experience" have you ever applied for a Masters to Teach? Try it and see.
I work with about 50/50 nurses that have had previously general care experience and those that went straight into critical care. The great majority of nurses who worked on the floor wish they would have started in critical care. I myself was a new grad to the ICU. When I have talked to my fellow classmates- there were some who were dead set on working ICU and some that were dead set on psych, OB, or general care. I think it is more of a way of thinking than it is a progression from general care to ICU. Nurses have different interests just as primary care MDs and Pulmonary/critical care MDs have different preferences in career goals. I even know a colleague who was a new grad to the ICU who wants to go back to school and teach. Is this RN disadvantaged because he/she didn't work in general care?? I highly doubt it! I guess we'll see! P.S. How many of your nursing professors even practiced nursing? I know a great deal of mine went straight to a PHD program right out of their BSN. Its amazing that 'nurses' who have never even practiced in the 'real world' are training the new crop of nursing professionals. That statement is probably for a different posting...
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No. 48
Old Aug 15, 2009, 05:18 AM

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I'm a new grad in the ICU and I know, in my heart of hearts, that it's my calling in life. I simply don't think I could do what med-surg nurses do: they are the backbone of the hospital, and their ability to balance so many patients and so many demands upon their time, brain, and body never fail to astonish me. While my patients are indeed critical, at least there's only two of them! :-)

There was only one nurse on my unit who flat-out told me he thought I should do med-surg for a year first; even so, he has still been very supportive and kind to me since I started. My entire unit has been incredibly accepting and supportive of me, and it helps to know that I always have them to fall back on it. It improves my clinical skills and builds my confidence when I have those veteran nurses there to teach and shape me.
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No. 49
from CMF_Dennen
Old Aug 17, 2009, 11:30 PM

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Although i enjoyed the banter between everyone on this topic it was extremely annoying as well. How dare an ICU nurse pretend he or she knows what its like to work on a med/surg floor unless they've done it. The same goes for a med/surg nurse attempting to comment on what ICU nurses deal with. It's completely ridiculous. Every unit, every specialty, and every hospital operate differently. This turned into some back and forth banter about what nursing specialty was better or who worked harder. Any type of nursing can be and is mentally, physically, and emotionally draining. Its not like we're working with rainbows and butterflies. THe point that one member made about some graduate programs wanting you to have med/surg experience was simply stating that obviously as a nurse educator teaching students that are aquiring their ADN or BSN, they will most likely be working on med/surg floors. And who better to teach about med/surg than a med/surg nurse?!?! NOt saying an ICU nurse can't be amazing b/c if you work in ICU you are going to have very good skills but you don't work in med/surg and IT IS DIFFERENT than being an ICU nurse. But it really depends on the educator at hand. An ICU nurse that is well educated and loves to teach will probably be as great an educator as the next person. Anyways, it doesn't really matter because when it comes down to it there will be many programs that will accept almost anyone as long as they have the $$$$.

I think it depends on the new grad that is coming into the ICU. I myself am 8 months out of school and working in cardiac stepdown. I honestly felt that ICU would be too overwhelming for me. You have to be able to determine how you deal with stress and how a certain environment will mesh with your personality. Another factor however is the orientation that you receive. Alot of fellow students that i graduated with went into ICU. We graduated in December so there weren't alot of new grads coming into the units so i'd imagine they had a better orientation then some of the 20+new grads that just came in june. There are ALOT of circumstances that can alter how well or how bad a new grad does in an ICU and alot of those circumstances can be beyond the control of the new grad. If there are staffing issues, changes in management, poor preceptors, etc. the new grad could fail miserably and struggle even if they are the most amazing new grad in the whole world. My final two cents-a B**** is a B**** no matter what her profession. That doesn't seem to change when you switch specialties
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