Originally Posted by fergus51

I don't mean to say you should put up with it. I was just trying to point out that there isn't such a double standard and most of the posters did stand up for male nurses and their professionalism. You aren't alone

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by fergus51

I don't mean to say you should put up with it. I was just trying to point out that there isn't such a double standard and most of the posters did stand up for male nurses and their professionalism. You aren't alone

Ditto.

And I don't look at the name of the forum before answering a thread.

(must look up the big chest hair debate...I missed that one)

Originally Posted by caroladybelle

Ditto.

And I don't look at the name of the forum before answering a thread.

(must look up the big chest hair debate...I missed that one)

Neither do I

Originally Posted by caroladybelle

Ditto.

And I don't look at the name of the forum before answering a thread.

(must look up the big chest hair debate...I missed that one)

Carolina, in your post your point was females get knocked on too.

You didn't mention anything about coming to the defense of males. So I guess I was misinterpreting it a bit. By saying that females get knocked too, really is nonproductive to the original post, because just because females get knocked on doesn't make it right for men to get it too.

The chest hair thread didn't bother me much at all, I was only trying to relate to the op, because it bother him.

That the overwhelming majority of females in the one thread were supportive of males is true, but neither you, Deb, nor Fergus mentioned that in your posts on this thread, if you did I missed it. Mainly I got, "females have their threads and problems too.........etc.". Perhaps we guys can be more supportive too.

But really, I'm not all bent out of shape. I don't sweat the small stuff and I've made my point about this topic already. Thanks for listening.

Actually, my point was to Kevin. He wonders if sexist threads regarding women would get pulled, while those regarding men stay.

I pointed out that there are plenty of sexist threads regarding women that don't get pulled. Nothing more or less.

Forgive me, I thought that was quite clear, given the portion of Kevin's post that I referenced. But that was probably merely my female bias at work.

And I suggest that if women are not to participate in the male forum, that we have a gender box for us all to check...so that we cannot answer those threads and the men can have the male forum to themselves. That it won't show up under my "new posts" option.

Originally Posted by caroladybelle

Actually, my point was to Kevin. He wonders if sexist threads regarding women would get pulled, while those regarding men stay.

I pointed out that there are plenty of sexist threads regarding women that don't get pulled. Nothing more or less.

Forgive me, I thought that was quite clear, given the portion of Kevin's post that I referenced. But that was probably merely my female bias at work.

And I suggest that if women are not to participate in the male forum, that we have a gender box for us all to check...so that we cannot answer those threads and the men can have the male forum to themselves. That it won't show up under my "new posts" option.

I understand. I'm a bit confused because you were agreeing with Fergus, who was responding to me.

I certainly welcome female input in the male forum myself. When I pointed out the female response, it was an observation. I think Keven was speaking to the guys on this one and the female response was more than other threads. I say that females have plenty to say about male issues and should be welcome if their input is appropriate. This board is about nursing, and in particularly male nursing, but it's not a guy's only room, it s nurse's room. But I'm not a mod. and I'm still disappointed in this forum for the most part.

Anyway, enough of this. Have a great day!

I wish i could say why we accept the double standards but I can't. I try to ignore people who try to alienate me.
I'm with Tweety, Have a nice day!

Originally Posted by 3rdShiftGuy

Carolina, in your post your point was females get knocked on too.

You didn't mention anything about coming to the defense of males. So I guess I was misinterpreting it a bit. By saying that females get knocked too, really is nonproductive to the original post, because just because females get knocked on doesn't make it right for men to get it too.

The chest hair thread didn't bother me much at all, I was only trying to relate to the op, because it bother him.

That the overwhelming majority of females in the one thread were supportive of males is true, but neither you, Deb, nor Fergus mentioned that in your posts on this thread, if you did I missed it. Mainly I got, "females have their threads and problems too.........etc.". Perhaps we guys can be more supportive too.

But really, I'm not all bent out of shape. I don't sweat the small stuff and I've made my point about this topic already. Thanks for listening.

I guess you missed the parts where time and again, I have stood up (under some serious criticism at times) for men in all areas of nursing (and not just I but several of us).

Case in point: the thread about the little old lady refusing LPN/CNA. It somehow became a "right to refuse male nurses" thread for a while there. Guess you missed where I said there was no reason to discriminate other than in cases of prior sexual abuse. How many times have I championed my male colleagues, I cant' count.

So I come here and find Kevin saying this "double standard" exists. And I came to tell him we females take heat too, is all. That it's not all men who do, yet when they do, there ARE some of us woman who WILL stand with and for you anytime as men in nursing.

Anyhow have a good day. I will stay out of this one from now on. Far be it from me to crash on a man venting his frustrations sincerely. I meant no disrespect.

Deb, I'm going to edit my post and erase what I initially said, which was basically a repeat and rewording of stuff I've already said in this thread.

I apologize for missing the point that you were saying there isn't a double standard.

And no, I certainly haven't missed the fact that 99.99999% of the nurses here, you especially, are supportive of male nurses.

I think myself and a couple of aren't communicating well, and aren't understanding each other and missing the point of what each other is saying. But I'm not going to spend a lot of time getting defensive as I've put enough two cents into it and I'd only be repeating myself.

You're last paragraph is disappointing. You've never been shy about speaking your mind. Why start now?

Originally Posted by Nurse Ratched

I do believe my female-ness to a certain extent makes me blind in some instances as to what may be offensive to males. I appreciate anytime another perspective is offered .

Absolutely. I for one am very sorry for my own double standard.

We need to remember though that sexual harrassment applies if the behavior is "unwanted". The only way we know if something is "unwanted" is if someone says so.

However, there is or should be standard and professional behavior that we all understand and adhere to.

I keep thinking about Tweety and his getting thwacked on the bottom. How demeaning! Now if I knew someone well AND we were not working the floor, in that context it MIGHT be appropriate to do this jokingly. But then wouldn't I feel violated if he turned around and did the same thing to ME, or groped my chest?

We DO need to try to see ourselves from the viewpoint of the other person.