Originally Posted by SmilingBluEyes

I guess I don't get being all worked up over chest hair. Women have tolerated rude remarks about our "assets" for years. I guess I did not see it as a directed insult toward men, myself. Just me, splitting hairs as usual. rofl.

Well, it's not all about chest hairs, it's a little more than that. So if womyn have been tolerating it for years, then two wrongs make a right and they are allowed to make crude comments about men? Most of the womyn I know, and on this message board, aren't so quiet in the "tolerating" of comments about their assets unless they are soliciting them.

Are you silently tolerating sexism by male in your nursing practice? I know you do OB, but by other males besides nurses, like MDs or other personnel, you may come into contact with. Somehow I doubt that you would.

I haven't read the post this is referring too, so this may not pertain, but it does remind me of something. I work with a female nurse who wears dress's and skirts. She doesn't shave her legs very often, but I am expected to come to work every day clean shaven.

I don't think it's such a double standard. Did you not see the thread about women and their grooming practices in the OB/GYN area? And there are plenty of posts suggesting that female nurses are all kinds of unflaterring things (catty, we need men to save the profession, blah, blah)....

Personally, I just prefer that these threads get the responses that they get and we leave it at that. This board is already pretty heavily moderated and I don't think the mods need to remove every single thing that is at all controversial or we won't be able to post anything.

First of all, I wasn't really offended by either thread, though I will admit that the first thread made me pretty angry. And as I said, I can see the humor in both threads.

However, looking specifically at the second thread, I can really see where rolls were reversed, all the disclaimers in the world about a post "just being in fun" would not save me (or whoever the poster was) from a great deal of wrath. What if the thread was about women with big breasts, as I posted earlier? And what if in that thread I posted that I found big breasts to be pretty exciting, and if I were getting flashed by a big breasted nurse when she bent over wearing a scrub top, I "might forget our patient - nurse relationship. sorry...haaaaad to go there." (With respect to the original poster. I know the comment was not intended to offend.) Would that be equally as humorous? And even if you personally thought it would be humorous, do you really think all our members would see that humor?

Again, I'm not offended. Curious about the double standard is a much better description of my current state.

Kevin McHugh

Edited to add: Also, I'm not suggesting that either thread should be removed. Half the fun of this board is the debate that it inspires. I'm simply making an observation about one area where it seems that women have somewhat more latitude than men in their comments. In other words, why is it OK for a woman to verbally swoon over a man with chest hair, while a man posting a similar comment about a woman with large breasts would, to a much greater degree, be villified? And let's face facts. If I posted such a comment, how long do you think it would be before some female nurse scolded me, reminding me that nurses are not there for my entertainment?

How did I miss that first thread. I would like to add that I have never heard anyone talk about a female patients attributes in a sexual way on our floor, but if one of the female nurses has a male patient that has been blessed, everyone knows it within the hour. Kinda makes me think that poster might want to rethink her veiws about who can't turn it off.

As for the chest hair thread, I see both the humor and hypocrasy.

Originally Posted by fergus51

I don't think it's such a double standard. Did you not see the thread about women and their grooming practices in the OB/GYN area? And there are plenty of posts suggesting that female nurses are all kinds of unflaterring things (catty, we need men to save the profession, blah, blah)....

Personally, I just prefer that these threads get the responses that they get and we leave it at that. This board is already pretty heavily moderated and I don't think the mods need to remove every single thing that is at all controversial or we won't be able to post anything.

Good points Fergus and I receive them well.

I remember a thread out panty lines. What if a male nurse (not me because you'd never believe me) in that thread said "I think females should wear white pants, very tight, and black thongs because I think that's kind of sexy", or even "I find panty lines sexy". Do you not think there might not have been someone who took offense to that? How many threads have there been about nurses who object to the sexpot image of nurses in the media? That females feel this way, yet can stereotype men as being testosterone run wild, and sexy in their scrubs is a slight double standard when someone ojbects and isn't taken seriously with those objections.

And no, absolutely not am I suggesting that the threads be more moderated than they are. I'm totally against that, and have made my objections known from time to time when they close down a thread.

Originally Posted by kmchugh

First of all, I wasn't really offended by either thread, though I will admit that the first thread made me pretty angry. And as I said, I can see the humor in both threads.

However, looking specifically at the second thread, I can really see where rolls were reversed, all the disclaimers in the world about a post "just being in fun" would not save me (or whoever the poster was) from a great deal of wrath. What if the thread was about women with big breasts, as I posted earlier? And what if in that thread I posted that I found big breasts to be pretty exciting, and if I were getting flashed by a big breasted nurse when she bent over wearing a scrub top, I "might forget our patient - nurse relationship. sorry...haaaaad to go there." (With respect to the original poster. I know the comment was not intended to offend.) Would that be equally as humorous? And even if you personally thought it would be humorous, do you really think all our members would see that humor?

Again, I'm not offended. Curious about the double standard is a much better description of my current state.

Kevin McHugh

Edited to add: Also, I'm not suggesting that either thread should be removed. Half the fun of this board is the debate that it inspires. I'm simply making an observation about one area where it seems that women have somewhat more latitude than men in their comments. In other words, why is it OK for a woman to verbally swoon over a man with chest hair, while a man posting a similar comment about a woman with large breasts would, to a much greater degree, be villified? And let's face facts. If I posted such a comment, how long do you think it would be before some female nurse scolded me, reminding me that nurses are not there for my entertainment?

Gee Kevin, I should have read this thread before I posted mine above. You and I said pretty much the same thing.

Just a gentle reminder. . .

With regards to how this bulletin board is moderated, I want to "nip this in the bud" before it flowers. It is mentioned in the Terms of Service that this bulletin board is a bit more "stricter" than others. The over all objective for this is so that ALL NURSES can find this place a relatively friendly and safe place to visit, seek and share information and network.

So far, I've read a few posts on this thread (including the original post), about how strict or how not strict this bulletin board is moderated. As mentioned in the Terms of Service, there are appropriate avenues for a member to discuss such concerns. So if anyone thinks that this bulletin board needs more or less moderation, follow THOSE avenues. But public discussion of those concerns is simply not allowed here. If needed, please re-read the Terms of Service for your review.

Again, I just want to "nip this in the bud" before it flowers into a discussion about how this bulletin board is moderated. Such discussions would be way off topic to the original post, and most certainly be against the Terms of Service.

Thank you all for your consideration to this.

Respectfully,

Ted

I am just a lowly female nurse and because of that may not be able to judge accurately the comments of the OPs.
BUT!
I think they were both way out of line and looking for an argument!

Personally, I would much rather see a guys chest hair peaking out of his scrubs than to see a womans butt jiggle because she chooses to wear a thong.
And no, chest hair does not affect me sexually one way or the other. I truly am one of those old nurses (28 years) who just can't get excited at the site of a body, any body. Seen way too many of them I guess.
But a jiggling butt, that's just tacky, they look like they are advertising the wairs.
Yep, I've put my seatbelt on to prepare for the atack! LOL

Originally Posted by LPNer

I am just a lowly female nurse and because of that may not be able to judge accurately the comments of the OPs.
BUT!
I think they were both way out of line and looking for an argument!

Personally, I would much rather see a guys chest hair peaking out of his scrubs than to see a womans butt jiggle because she chooses to wear a thong.
And no, chest hair does not affect me sexually one way or the other. I truly am one of those old nurses (28 years) who just can't get excited at the site of a body, any body. Seen way too many of them I guess.
But a jiggling butt, that's just tacky, they look like they are advertising the wairs.
Yep, I've put my seatbelt on to prepare for the atack! LOL

I am staying in the middle for once and not committing myself to either side, but I must just say any form of harressment I cant and dont agree with