Re: Female nurses have more advantage over male nurses?

Originally Posted by Illinurse2010

I have heard from different sources that male nurses make more money than female nurses--of course we all start at the same pay but the men are more likely to receive bigger increases becasue the boss thinks they will leave without incentive or need more to support a family.. I don't know if this is true or not but there are some articles that have brought this up--like this one.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/146098.stm

thats an interesting article.

certainly the majority of men i know in nursing are in mental health.. I only know of 4 NP's. as for more money.. we have a pay grade system which is country wide.. as a np I can expect to get the same pay and conditions regardless of where I work in the country, as long as i remain within the NHS. the head of the RCN is a man..

there is nothing to stop anyone applying for any jobs.. remember a lot of nurses make up their money by doing overtime/ unsocial hours. as an NP I command a good salary.. my best friend is a district nurse, who is on 2 pay grades lower than me.. and she earns more than me because to the unsocial hours!

Re: Female nurses have more advantage over male nurses?

Where Im going to school most of the students and staff treat the guys the same. However there are always a few coments about gender mostly joking I think?. One Instructor made a coment about men only thinking with the little head in front of the whole class. NOW dont get me wrong this is not entirly untrue but if I was to make a sexist coment in this environment I would be crucified and probablyy tossed out of the program. I think in general men are more easy going about these kind of remarkes. JUST MY OPIOIN.

Re: Female nurses have more advantage over male nurses?

Originally Posted by cop2nurse41

Where Im going to school most of the students and staff treat the guys the same. However there are always a few coments about gender mostly joking I think?. One Instructor made a coment about men only thinking with the little head in front of the whole class. NOW dont get me wrong this is not entirly untrue but if I was to make a sexist coment in this environment I would be crucified and probablyy tossed out of the program. I think in general men are more easy going about these kind of remarkes. JUST MY OPIOIN.

Recognizing that "generally true" does not mean "always true," I agree that men seem to be generally more easygoing about such remarks. I encourage you to hang onto that easygoing mentality. There are enough things to stress over in nursing, and nursing school, that a little playful teasing is nothing to get ruffled over. I've made the observation at work that if there were more men in nursing, there would be a lot less stress, and only slightly higher patient mortality. It's a grossly unfair comment to both genders, but most of my coworkers would agree that boxers don't seem to get in a bunch as easily as panties do, and they value that.

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fortunatley due to my back ground I dont ruffle easy or get offened by much! I hope I land in a place where words are just words and everyone can take a joke for what it is A JOKE. I am just very careful what I say and who I say it to for now anyway!

Re: Female nurses have more advantage over male nurses?

Originally Posted by cop2nurse41

Where Im going to school most of the students and staff treat the guys the same. However there are always a few coments about gender mostly joking I think?. One Instructor made a coment about men only thinking with the little head in front of the whole class. NOW dont get me wrong this is not entirly untrue but if I was to make a sexist coment in this environment I would be crucified and probablyy tossed out of the program. I think in general men are more easy going about these kind of remarkes. JUST MY OPIOIN.

Well, it is just this exactly that I am talking about. The female nurses think it's okay to make a sexist or sexually based comment..but we are demons with four heads if we have a retort. And if we complain, well we are rocking the boat, cause who really got hurt by it right...?

Equality...........?????

Re: Female nurses have more advantage over male nurses?

Listen They are the fairer pretty smarter sex! Just ask them! When they get going just smile and know that you could say about a million things that would turn their heads. Sometimes the best thoughts should be kept to ones self. Anyway I really wasnt complaing. I kinda like it when they think they are getting a way with some wise coment. Im not worried about equality at this point im just along for the ride. This is my second career I want to be good at it but I am also going to have a lot of fun in the process. Maybe by the end I will be able to write a book on how women think!!!! and make a millon bucks!!!

Re: Female nurses have more advantage over male nurses?

Interesting comments about the inequity over comments. There was a segment on a current affairs show a few years back where they had two lists, the first, "Beer is better than women because..." the second, "Cucumbers are better than men because..." When showing the lists to women, often they saw the humour in one but found the other offensive. Men on the other hand saw the humour in both. They carried out a number of these "social experiments" and found overwhelmingly that as a rule women saw only those things denigrating men as funny while taking offence at those aimed at women.

My only thought is that political correctness and (possibly) years of sexual harrassment have made women more sensitive. Yet at the same time I think that society has placed value on taking offence, look how often a seemingly harmless joke or observation is taken out of context by a self-serving group for the purpose of being offended. I have even seen here at AllNurses threads getting hijacked because someone has taken offence because a negative comment has in some way possibly offended someones cousins-brothers-girlfriends way of life/choices/situation/attitude/etc.

Re: Female nurses have more advantage over male nurses?

Originally Posted by twistedpupchaser

Interesting comments about the inequity over comments. There was a segment on a current affairs show a few years back where they had two lists, the first, "Beer is better than women because..." the second, "Cucumbers are better than men because..." When showing the lists to women, often they saw the humour in one but found the other offensive. Men on the other hand saw the humour in both. They carried out a number of these "social experiments" and found overwhelmingly that as a rule women saw only those things denigrating men as funny while taking offence at those aimed at women.

My only thought is that political correctness and (possibly) years of sexual harrassment have made women more sensitive. Yet at the same time I think that society has placed value on taking offence, look how often a seemingly harmless joke or observation is taken out of context by a self-serving group for the purpose of being offended. I have even seen here at AllNurses threads getting hijacked because someone has taken offence because a negative comment has in some way possibly offended someones cousins-brothers-girlfriends way of life/choices/situation/attitude/etc.

I think it has something to do with whether one is perceived as being part of a "privileged" group or a "minority." Women are not a minority, especially in nursing, but there is a not entirely unjustified perception that they have long been second-class citizens.
If someone calls me a "cracker," in jest or even in anger, it just doesn't cut. My self-image isn't altered. WASP jokes don't make me feel on any level like there is anything wrong with me. I'm a middle-aged, middle-class, straight, white male protestant (sorta). Nothing about that makes me better than anyone else, but nothing about that makes me feel--ever--that I'm less than anyone else. I'm also short and fat, and while I can laugh about those things, I can also be offended by remarks about those qualities. So it seems ironic to hear humor described as a defense mechanism, because it seems like a sense of humor about oneself is a reflection of how secure one is in oneself.

I've known a fair number of women who've been ruthlessly self-critical. Smart, funny, loving people who honestly fret about the size of their butt. Women with the body of a Playboy centerfold who don't like their hair, or think they're stupid, or imagine guys are turned off by their nose. (Oh, hey, now that you mention it, that is quite a schnoz. You aren't wearing a bra right now, are you?) All I can think is that society conditions some of us, in subtle ways or gross, to feel bad about ourselves.

Re: Female nurses have more advantage over male nurses?

I don't think of it as an advantage, I just think that hiring manager and charges may think twice before hiring a male, when an equally qualified female is up for the position also, it is unfair but I think it all has to do with patients may request.

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Well lets see I am a 35yr old cracker!!! Who does not get offened by much. I guess thats because I hit the streets at fifteen and have supported myself ever since. In these conditions you tend not to sweat the small stuff like silly coments or jokes. They are what they are. You tend to worry about where your next meal is coming from instead. Anyway I guess Im trying to say that if you go throught life with a thin SKIN regardless of gender or color you will be offened more often then not. Lets all take a chill pill and not sweat the small stuff. Plus i still want to make a pile of money writing a book on how women think! Not that I will get it right but the research should be a whole lot of fun!!!