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No. 50
Old Nov 08, 2005, 03:30 PM

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believe me I am not trying to be a victim . but there are enough others out there that are very acusing , and when in doubt the male nurse will be at fault I have been acused of many things and been hauled on the carpet with out even pre-reading my documentation ,,,, 1)it had to be a male nurse who put the supp. in the wrong hole .a female would know the difference,,,2)the man nurse can't do peri care because they don't know enough about the anatomy!! 3) if a male nurse does a catheter on a female he can be acused of inappropreate touching (always take afemale in 'cause another male wouldn't know the difference),,4) if doing a cath on a male you could be acused of inappropriate touchind because "men don't touch other men" take a female in with you because another man wouldn't know the diff
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No. 51
Old Nov 11, 2005, 06:23 PM

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There is a male nursing student who has clinicals at my hospital. He is extremely strange, almost sociopathic in nature. He appears to lack basic social skills, manners, and ability to show emotion. He basically paces up and down the halls when not with his patient (the students get only one patient per day), and then when he does go in, he acts like a robot. This guy is due to graduate this year. What do you think about his ability to be a decent nurse upon graduation?
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No. 52
from nursemike
Old Nov 11, 2005, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NurseKitty NC
There is a male nursing student who has clinicals at my hospital. He is extremely strange, almost sociopathic in nature. He appears to lack basic social skills, manners, and ability to show emotion. He basically paces up and down the halls when not with his patient (the students get only one patient per day), and then when he does go in, he acts like a robot. This guy is due to graduate this year. What do you think about his ability to be a decent nurse upon graduation?
It's pretty hard to form an impression based on a one-sided, second-hand description, but I'm open to the possibility that this man may have a difficult time becoming an effective nurse. He will certainly need to develop a strong work ethic, social skills with both patients and peers, and the ability to project empathy and concern. (I can't begin to guess whether or not he feels these things, but many who seem to lack them actually only lack the ability to communicate their feelings.)

My initial inclination was to ignore your post, since the topic is discrimination against males and not whether some particular male will be a competent nurse. But, in a way, your post seems to be an example of such discrimination--why is it remotely relevent whether the student you describe is a male? Are you suggesting that men are less able to be nurses? Would the pattern you describe be less disturbing in a female?

We guys have a lot to overcome to become good nurses. I think it's still fair to say that our culture (U.S., at least) doesn't encourage nurturing skills in boys as they grow up, and as adults we do get more than a few sidelong glances from others who learn of our career choices. I don't mean to cry about it, and there are plenty of women who face challenges of their own. But in my short time as a nurse, I've learned to respect anyone who is willing to take on the challenges all of us face, day in and day out. It is probably a sad truth that not everyone who wants to be a nurse will ultimately be up to it, but I give credit to anyone who tries.

If I saw a student behaving as you describe, I hope I would encourage him to roll up his sleeves and get into it.
Even with some prior background in healthcare, I've had a few moments when I was nearly paralyzed with anxiety, and I'm keenly aware of how stupid and useless one can appear while in that state. But it is possible to get through it, and each little success can bring with it a world of personal growth.

My first shift after orientation, I committed one of those "wrong orifice" errors alluded to in a previous post. I had to check a female patient for impaction, and despite every effort to be as professional as I possibly could, I inadvertantly checked her vagina. God bless my charge nurse, who said just the right thing, but I was still right on the verge of walking out the door and never coming back. She was right, though--moments like these build character.

My point is that during school, throughout orientation, and on into my own practice, there have been numerous times when people could have easily written me off as a hopeless male idiot, or to be more politically correct, a hopeless idiot. I'm still far from perfect, but my mistakes these days tend not to be amazingly stupid mistakes. I hope that as I become more competent, I may be able to help some who are having trouble finding their way, as others have helped me.
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No. 53
Old Nov 11, 2005, 11:35 PM
Updated Nov 12, 2005 at 02:13 AM by Thunderwolf

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Please.....now you know how what it feels like to be a woman in a male dominated feild.
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No. 54
Old Nov 12, 2005, 02:09 AM

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Mod reminder----> Posts are to be friendly.
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No. 55
Old Nov 12, 2005, 11:15 AM

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I think that some of the posts are blurring discrimination with harassment. they are two different things.

I think as we all know, there are gender differences between males and females. Males, in general, are more competitive than females. The upside of this is that we tend to advance faster in careers and make more money than females. The down side of this nature is that we are much more likely to be put in jail for violent crimes or die a violent death. Being female has it's advantages and disadvantages as well.

As a supervisor I think it is important to be aware of this when counselling female (actually all) associates. I don't set the pay for my associates, my bosses boss does. Whenever someone comes to me for a raise I direct them up the chain with this advise. "You get paid what you negotiate." This has worked for me and for my wife. Males usually (but not always) ask for more and are more likely to counter an offer with a higher offer... even if it's only 0.25%. Bottom line, pay and promotion discrimination is often based on tactful assertiveness rather than gender (IMHO)

Regarding harassment: I've not experienced nearly enough of it in my life. (kidding). Seriously, I look at harassment as just a fundemental lack of respect, period. It doesn't matter if there is a gender, racial, sexual orientation, religious undercurrent behind it. It's all bad and has its roots in a lack of respectfulness. When you break it down like this it's much more than a male/female thing.

Regarding discrimination: From reading the posts here and talking with faculty and nurses (I'm to start nursing school next year) I think that in general males experience a net positive discrimination. I think that it is a function of our approach to our jobs and careers in general. The more competitive, career focused person will do better in their careers than the less competitive focused individual regardless of gender.

I like to follow the rule, do unto others as they would have done unto themselves. Some people (like me) like a little good natured harassment. Others don't and are highly offended by it.

Then again I could be wrong..
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No. 56
from nursemike
Old Nov 12, 2005, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by stefanitenzi
Please.....now you know how what it feels like to be a woman in a male dominated feild.
Does this mean you are willing to give back whatever advances women have made in male-dominated fields?

I haven't personally seen much discrimination against men in nursing. I did hear of a nurse midwife "coaching" a patient to decline a male student during our maternity clinicals, but our female instructor was more disturbed than any of us students. After all, the patient had a right to know she could decline, if she chose to.
Apparently, though, I've been lucky. I've read of some instances of outright discrimination on these boards. I don't have the impression such discrimination is widespread. But as someone who has always supported a woman's right to work in whatever field her talents and interests lead her to, I don't feel a bit hypocritical in expecting the same rights to be extended to men. Discrimination is wrong, period.
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No. 57
from nursemike
Old Nov 12, 2005, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Frogbitedaddio

Regarding discrimination: From reading the posts here and talking with faculty and nurses (I'm to start nursing school next year) I think that in general males experience a net positive discrimination. I think that it is a function of our approach to our jobs and careers in general. The more competitive, career focused person will do better in their careers than the less competitive focused individual regardless of gender.

I like to follow the rule, do unto others as they would have done unto themselves. Some people (like me) like a little good natured harassment. Others don't and are highly offended by it.

Then again I could be wrong..
I haven't really noticed much positive discrimination, either. I can imagine some employers may believe males are more apt to let their spouses deal with problems like sick children, but as two-income households become the rule, I think we'll see fewer men willing to neglect their families in favor of their careers. Men do, in general, have stronger backs, but probably also more of a tendancy to overestimate their own strength.

As for harassment, I've generally made it clear to my co-workers that sexual harassment is my favorite form of harassment. At least it's sexual, while other forms of harassment are pretty much just harassment. Of course, in reality, it isn't harassment if you don't mind it. It wouldn't seem nearly as amusing if you did mind it.
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No. 58
Old Nov 13, 2005, 10:57 AM

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Cool ! ,great discussions here !
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No. 59
from jcgcrna
Old Nov 14, 2005, 06:45 AM

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I've seen the opposite, ie people deferring to the men in many more situations than the descrimination noted in the protracted article. Been a nurse for 36 years in med cens and rural places. I think we make mountains out of mole hills when we publish such drivel.
Craig
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