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No. 140
from bluefabian
Old Jul 03, 2008, 12:08 PM

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Ha, ha, ha... Luckily I am mean enough to stay on the chair doing some of my job or none at all and let most of my female aides do their physical jobs. It's bad hearing that last sentence but I can't expect myself doing all the physical labour and be guilty when I don't help. I'll help when I can but not all the time.

Maybe trying to say no is the answer. I know I did that many times.
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No. 141
from ceh111
Old Jan 15, 2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NurCrystal22 View Post
Hello,

How are you stereotyped and discriminated against? By patients? Coworkers? What do they say to you? I only ask because I enjoy all of the nurses that I work with that are men. I don't treat them any differently except maybe not mentioning my "female" problems in front of them... but other than that... I have a lot of respect for them... the same respect I have for nurses that are female.


Why do you care so much? Okay so you're a nurse, not a MALE nurse, but a NURSE. As long as you keep doing you're job, IGNORE all of the ignorant people, don't let them bring you down!

So what if the profession is dominated by women? As you said, interest is growing so maybe one day in the future it will be different.

Anyways, I personally think that nurses, male, female, whatever... ROCK!

~Crystal
I'm a nurse, and male, that has been discriminated against on a regular basis. Example: A female nurse filled out a pre-op check list on a male patient for heart surgury. She used the wrong pre-op checklist which was intended for labor and delivery that included many questions about the vagina. This patient was discharged from our unit to OR with important cardiac information missing. I work nights and had a patient on tele. The admitting nurse on 2nd shift did not add a parameter in the computerized chart to document his rhythm. I missed this and also did not document his rhythm. The female nurse recieved a hand written note attached to our schedule stating what a great job she did on charting but may want to revisit the form as she filled out the wrong form and was signed, have a great day! I recieved an email from the unit manager questioning my compentance and that my future charting will be reviewed for safety. The nurse on 2nd shift did not recieve an email, I asked. In fact all the nurses on day shift were joking with the nurse about her use of a pre delivery form and it was a big joke. Now would you consider this discrimination?
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No. 142
from lpn2icu
Old Jan 15, 2009, 06:18 PM

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Discrimination does happen!
....But unless we all march to Washington D.C., nothing is going to change!
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No. 143
Old Jan 18, 2009, 10:42 PM

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Wow, is all I can say.
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No. 144
Old Jan 19, 2009, 01:46 AM

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I have male co-workers who were told in nursing school by nurse managers at their clinical sites that they were not welcome in nursing and they would never make it. I still think we need more men in the nursing profession. The nurse managers' attitudes towards male nurses are a hinderance on this profession.
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No. 145
from karenG
Old Jan 19, 2009, 04:51 AM

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discrimination exists...... if I tried to join a male dominated profession, I'm sure i would meet it..

maybe rather than all complaing about who did what to who.. maybe it would be more constructive to look at ways to combat it?

maybe the ladies who have read this thread should decide to be more careful in how they interact with our male colleagues.. I'm a clinical practice teacher and involved in training students.. dont get many men and thought i treated everyone equally.. but I will reflect on this.

how about a bit of reflective practice? (now there is a good nursy term.. Patrica Benner would be proud of me!)
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No. 146
Old Jan 20, 2009, 04:24 PM

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Well I have been reading this thread for a couple of days now and I am finally ready to put my 2cents in. First Aside from a few gender coments and jokes I have not witnessed any real discrimination to this point. Now there may be some very real cases out there but!!! For the the guys reading this it is probably the first time you are encountering this type of behavior being that we are usually the perpatraitors of said behavior. So pull up your boot straps put a smile on your face and do the best job you can because at the end of the day no one can ever take that away from you!!! If you dont let it get to you they will move on to someone else and let you be! This may sound a little simple minded. But I once had a teacher tell me "Use the Kiss method and you can never go wrong" K-I-S-S. Keep IT Simple Stupid.
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No. 147
from Doubledee
Old May 26, 2009, 11:37 PM

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Sure, it happens all the time. I deal with some pretty ignorant female nurses who think nothing of making sweeping generalizations about men nurses. However, I am fortunate enough to have bosses who appreciate my difference and what I bring to the job from my totally non female perspective.
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No. 148
from erikrn
Old Jun 02, 2009, 01:46 PM

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I just joined allnurses, and stumbled across this thread. I read the first couple of pages, but must admit I have not read all 15 pages, so if my comments are redundant, I apologize.
I feel like the discrimination I run into comes in a variety of forms:

It is not uncommon for both male and female patients to request female RNs and techs at my facility (I work in Traumatic Brain/Spinal Cord Injury). In the case of men, it often seems to be some kind of homophobia, and women seem to feel it's inappropriate for me to work with them (even though there's a pretty good chance they have seen a male OB/GYN at some point who was a lot more invasive and personal than I will ever be). Unfortunately, these requests are often complied with, because we have so many female staff, it is easy to find a woman to work with these patients. If the request was made the other way, it would often be denied, because no male staff is available. The flip side of this issue, that works in my favor and is really rewarding, is that after a male patient has been in our facility for awhile, they often find it nice to have a male nurse because they don't feel wierd about swearing and being crude, and we can turn on Sportscenter or a show with good looking women on it and talk about "guy stuff" and they sometimes feel a little more "normal" after that.

I am often called to help move large patients, which at first was kind of flattering, but is now just annoying. I think female RNs need to put themselves in our shoes, and think of how they would feel if they were constantly asked to perform certain tasks "because you're so pretty". At first it might seem nice and complementary, but it would get old pretty quick.

I am always called to contend with violent/aggressive patients. I don't want to get punched in the face any more than anyone else.

The place where it is the most annoying, though, is in terms of benefits, specifically in the area of pregnancy. Female staff at our facility are routinely given easier assignments as they progress in their pregnancy, either because their doctor tells them they need to take it easy, or because they have complained about how hard it is, or simply because someone feels sorry for them. Because of the very physical nature of our jobs, everyone in our facility needs to pass a physical strength and endurance test to remain employed and avoid injury(moving a 400# tetraplegic patient is no easy task). My thoughts are: if you can't perform the tasks because you're 33 weeks pregnant, go on maternity leave now. If I showed up for work with a badly sprained ankle and said "I need an easier assignment until this ankle heals up", I would be promptly sent home and told to return when cleared by a doctor. It doesn't matter the reason, if you are physically unable to perform the job, stay home until you can, end of story.
Then, after delivery, our female staff are able to use their extended illness leave for the duration of their maternity leave, up to 12 weeks. This is designed to be used if you are physically UNABLE to perform your job due to illness or injury. In the case of most routine pregnancies/deliveries, women are able to return to full physical activity long before 12 weeks, but our facility seems to just let that little fact slide, allowing staff to stay out for the full duration of their maternity leave, while getting paid, without exhausting their normal vacation time. The reason that this bothers me so much, is that when my wife delivers, I will be required to burn up all of my normal vacation time and then, if I want to remain on leave for my entire legally allotted 12 weeks, any additional time off will be unpaid. This hurts me in multiple ways: First off, I obviously will not be paid for my time off if I want to stay home with my wife and newborn child. Secondly, after returning to work, my normal vacation/sick time will be exhausted, if I need to take time off due to my own illness or to take my child to the doctor, or just to stay home with him because he's sick and my wife can't stay home that day, I will need to miss work without pay, or try to make up the shift later in the week. Meanwhile, female staff who have given birth still have their saved sick/vacation time to take days off for their kids. Interestingly, I have found some real support recently from female nurses I work with who are adopting and are really feeling the sting of not being able to use their extended illness leave to stay home with their adopted children, they are essentially in the same boat that I am.
The one place that discrimination seems to work in my favor is that I tend to get left out of many of the petty disputes that my co-workers seem to get into, and they often seem to feel that they can trust me more with personal/private information that some of the other nurses. In addition, I have gotten some great insight into female behavior (including my wife's) by just sitting quietly in the nurse's station and listening. The stereotype that men don't listen or pay attention can come in real handy if you are just quiet and play dumb.
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No. 149
from Elvish
Old Jun 03, 2009, 03:18 PM
Updated Jun 03, 2009 at 10:35 PM by Elvish

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Ok, realizing that I'm a girl in the boys' club, I will tread lightly.

I agree a thousand percent with just about everything in this thread and have the utmost affection for all the male nurses I know. I just have to voice a small disagreement with the pregnancy bit above.

In theory, being able to take maternity leave at 33ish weeks because it is getting hard to keep up would be awesome, but it is just not a reality for most of us. That would leave us 5 weeks (give or take) to be at home with our babies AND recover from birth, and that is just not enough time. Heck, I worked until the day before I went into labor (and huffed and puffed, and came home achy and swollen) and had the full 12 weeks home with my baby and it was still not enough, especially if breastfeeding is going to be well-established.

Physically - yes. Mentally and emotionally - no. Maternity leave policy in this country sucks, and giving women 12 weeks total to be out is just inadequate. That said, I am all in favor of fathers being able to take as much leave as mothers after the birth of a baby.

(Erik - just as an aside, it must be facility or unit policy at your place to allow women to take leave prior to delivery and then have all their sick/vaca time afterward. All the places I've worked at require you to use up your sick AND vacation time before unpaid FMLA leave starts, and even then you only get a total of 12 weeks.)

I don't mean this to come across as having an ax to grind, because I really don't. I just wanted to put another perspective on the pregnancy bit out there. And really, in a healthy pregnancy, there's very little women flat-out should not do (take care of CMV patients, for example).

Thanks. I'll leave now.
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