Why Do We Tolerate This? - page 6

You know, sometimes things have a hidden context. Sometimes, that context can be kind of ugly. When I see that, it causes me to wonder why we allow these things to continue. Hence, this thread. ... Read More

  1. by   rogramjet
    When people call me a "Male nurse", I just politley correct them and tell them nicely that I am a "Registered Nurse". I have no problem being called a nurse, just don't qualify it with the term "Male". I went through the same classes the females did and took the same NCLEX. I earned the title.
  2. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from ADONLTC
    What does offend me is this: I am NOT a male nurse... I'm a NURSE. Plain, simple and to the point. We don't talk about women as "that female nurse", why am I called a male nurse?
    Perhaps for the same reason that this is The Male Nursing Forum, yet, there is no "Female Nursing Forum"????????????????????
  3. by   madwife2002
    Quote from caroladybelle
    Perhaps for the same reason that this is The Male Nursing Forum, yet, there is no "Female Nursing Forum"????????????????????

    :chuckle :chuckle :chuckle :chuckle
  4. by   ADONLTC
    Quote from caroladybelle
    Perhaps for the same reason that this is The Male Nursing Forum, yet, there is no "Female Nursing Forum"????????????????????

    For a long time men were not accepted as nurses (even though nursing at one time was only a male profession). Being a male in the nursing profession today does present challenges. I see the need for a forum on "Issues for men in nurisng" but not "The Male Nursing Forum"
  5. by   mattsmom81
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    Why is it, we bicker among ourselves about things that are not make-or-break to our profession, yet leave things that are "broken" unfixed???????

    Do we major in minors, because that is all we can effect change in as nurses? After all, we have little power or control to make 'big' changes, as we are not the big' players.

    Is the sniping and bickering a desperate attempt by a powerless group to try to control SOMETHING, if only each other?

    I've often wondered the same thing Deb. We would have SOOO much power...IF we would only stick together.
  6. by   Tweety
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    I respect your question, Kev. I hear you.

    I often wonder why we, male and female in nursing, tolerate a LOT of things, like abusive physicians, poor working conditions, unsafe patient-nurse ratios, and failure to advocate for our patients by colleagues----as well as many other things--- it goes on and on. Why is it, nursing tolerates so much when we as a group could be powerful enough to effect SO MUCH POSITIVE CHANGE? Why is it, we bicker among ourselves about things that are not make-or-break to our profession, yet leave things that are "broken" unfixed???????
    Food for thought.
  7. by   nursemike
    Quote from caroladybelle
    Perhaps for the same reason that this is The Male Nursing Forum, yet, there is no "Female Nursing Forum"????????????????????
    Exactly! Also the same reason we don't celebrate White History Month. It's our turn, at last, to be the downtrodden minority, so there!

    Er, well, that's just weird, isn't it? Come to think of it, it would feel pretty odd to describe someone as a black nurse, or a tall nurse.
    I used to see ads for a contracting company run by a mother and her daughters. I imagine they were referred to as lady carpenters more than a few times.
    People do speak of "male nurses" as if that were a specialty, like ER nurse or pediatric nurse. Might partly go back to male nurses in psych, in the bad old days, when "guard" would have been more accurate.
    Still, I've been happily male for as long as I can remember, and looking forward to being a nurse in the very near future--assuming I get back to studying for my maternity test soon (all things considered, I would rather be taking a paternity test, but there it is).
    For the record, most nurses I know just say I'm a nursing student, when they speak of it. "Male" only gets mentioned when it's relevant, as in, "The male students will change downstairs, in the OR dressing room." Or, "Would you mind if a male student observed your delivery?"
    At this point, you can call me a fat nurse, if you want to. As long as I can graduate and pass the boards.
  8. by   nursemike
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    I respect your question, Kev. I hear you.

    I often wonder why we, male and female in nursing, tolerate a LOT of things, like abusive physicians, poor working conditions, unsafe patient-nurse ratios, and failure to advocate for our patients by colleagues----as well as many other things--- it goes on and on. Why is it, nursing tolerates so much when we as a group could be powerful enough to effect SO MUCH POSITIVE CHANGE? Why is it, we bicker among ourselves about things that are not make-or-break to our profession, yet leave things that are "broken" unfixed???????
    Good point. Of course, a lot of nurses apparently aren't tolerating it, but are leaving the field in droves. Which might partly reflect a broader range of opportunities for women. I think I read that men leave nursing even more rapidly than women do, which is interesting, and a bit alarming (to me, at least).
  9. by   caroladybelle
    Quote from ADONLTC
    Being a male in the nursing profession today does present challenges. I see the need for a forum on "Issues for men in nurisng" but not "The Male Nursing Forum"
    So when do we get a Gay/lesbian/transgendered forum? They face many challenges in Nursing. NonChristian nurses working with the Christian majority? Asian/Arab Nurses - that are treated with bias from patients and coworkers?

    All of these present challenges and special issues in Nursing.

    My point is when you say (as the poster that I referenced, and you responded to my reference) "I want to be referred to as a nurse, not a male nurse"...and post in a "Male Nursing Forum", doesn't it just contradict what you say?

    With as many times as rascism comes up, where is the "African American/Black Forum"?

    Carolina

    Who would like to get rid of all devisive "isms".
  10. by   madwife2002
    Quote from caroladybelle
    So when do we get a Gay/lesbian/transgendered forum? They face many challenges in Nursing. NonChristian nurses working with the Christian majority? Asian/Arab Nurses - that are treated with bias from patients and coworkers?

    All of these present challenges and special issues in Nursing.

    My point is when you say (as the poster that I referenced, and you responded to my reference) "I want to be referred to as a nurse, not a male nurse"...and post in a "Male Nursing Forum", doesn't it just contradict what you say?

    With as many times as rascism comes up, where is the "African American/Black Forum"?

    Carolina

    Who would like to get rid of all devisive "isms".

    You do have a great way of putting things, I couldn't have said it better myself.
    I think we should have a Kindred spirit forum and I would invite you anf Fergus
  11. by   Tweety
    Carolina, excellent point about wanting to be considered a "nurse" before being a "male nurse", yet participating in a separate forum.

    As Brian stated he's recieved many requests over a long time for a men's forum. If there were frequent requests for any of those forums you mention, perhaps he would consider having one.

    In the meantime, why don't you bring the above post the this forum where is might be better served: http://allnurses.com/forums/showthre...1097673&conly=


    At first I maintained that a male nurses forum need not be devisive. I was dead wrong and am very disappointed in this forum.
    Last edit by Tweety on Mar 10, '05
  12. by   kmchugh
    I have to ask a favor for this and all future threads in this forum. Can we please not turn every single thread into a debate as to whether or not a male nursing forum should exist? I don't want to rehash that out every time someone starts a thread here.

    I understand, many of you may feel that such a forum is devisive, but if so, why post to it? Why try to hijack every thread to your purpose? If you do not believe that men in nursing face at least some challenges that females in nursing don't face, that highlights the need for the forum.

    If this forum chaps you off, great. Go to the thread Tweety referenced and let the mods and board owners know of your angst at exclusion there.

    Good grief.

    Kevin McHugh
  13. by   kmchugh
    Quote from 3rdShiftGuy
    At first I maintained that a male nurses forum need not be devisive. I was dead wrong and am very disappointed in this forum.
    Ditto, particularly to the disappointment. Nuff said

    Kevin

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