malamud69 10,602 Views
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to continue...in other words any thinking person knows that "substance abuse disorder" is quackery of the highest order...people "cope" in an unlimited amount of ways...all personal and all individual...some "healthy" some not...the fact that a group of scum...bags...has capitalized monetarily on people's discomfort is simply the American healthcare model...
I wish x1000 that more states legitimately distinguished between mental health and substance abuse participants. That can go so very far in terms of the nurse support groups actually being supportive (instead of like me, being the lone mental health participant in a room full of folks with substance use issues.) and in terms of this not feeling like punishment. When one is dealing with substance use disorder the goal (however you may get there) is a life in recovery. Correct? For those of us with mental health diagnoses, cramming the notion of ‘recovery' down our throats is demeaning and insulting. Bipolar or depression, etc are illnesses to be managed, not recover from.
Sadly, there is too much about many of these programs (and the associated evaluators and treatment facilities) that is money driven. Substance abuse diagnoses are financially lucrative, mental health, not so much. When you have no ethics or concious about the lives you are ruining, that matters.
I've already been picked SEVEN times in a 2 week period. I was fuming!
The real question...which I never even get a sane response to...is why in the name of science can't we check in the day before? At least people could plan...oh wait that would be logical and far from the scope these programs offer...the science of testing would not be affected at all...oops...sorry again...science? Evidence based? What was I thinking! Money money money money...that's more like it!
Pretty much 99.999% Wednesday here...guess the .001 is "random"
The only word that comes to mind is sickening
"random" Hah! That word makes me laugh out loud...according to Webster the alternate spelling of random is m o n e y....ludicrous
A couple things. First, I'll give E. Tolli a look. So far all the suggestions I've got for reading and documentaries have been great here. Second, I've been trying to think of what to say about the whole "sponsor letter" thing. It's so dumb and wrong on so many levels it takes my breathe away. An AA report card???? Asinine truly. It violates any precepts of treatment or AA traditions. How is a person supposed to be willing to open up to a therapist or sponsor or best friend or whoever if there is no trust of some level of confidentially. This is one main reason why the nurse support groups albeit overseen by a "therapist" aren't therapy. Who would trust that these deep dark secrets wouldn't get looked at by the monitoring Nazis if everybody reports to them. What's next a report from our Priest after confession. Finally, yes this program is mind-numbingly stupid and indefensible on so many levels. However, the only way to keep out nursing license is to play this half-witted version of "mother may I". Nurses have worked too hard to lose what they have earned. Play the game and take a long, hot bath afterwards
Yeah what's worse than an absence of evidence is ignoring evidence contrary to a desired result. In the case I used as an example we had two people in a group of 12 who maintained sobriety for 7-10 years without going to 12 step meetings since they got out of rehab. You had most of the rest of the group stating how these meetings were not helpful at all. This evidence and input was simply ignored or even denied. How is this supposed to be scientific? Its anti-scientific and cult-like. In an age of scarce resources and soaring healthcare costs how do we justify spending all this money on a "treatment" that is not based in science and seems to have dismal results. Think of it this way if there a medication or medical procedure out there that had single digit success rates would we invest billions in it? I think we only do this because the 12 step model has become a mantra of sorts
After reading many of the above posts I must state..."recovery" depends...like so many things "medical" upon the definition...as this word is so often thrown around in this atrocious world of 12 step mumbo jumbo and snake oil puffery, I crave then the day when those so freely ready to compromise that evidence which allowed them to practice in the first place the ability to mind their own business...I simply cannot be sold the Brooklyn Bridge and therefore...in the best spirit of Hitchens may proclaim: "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence" The epitome of this tragedy best summised by my "appointed" "therapist" (From what I can gather somebody with a certificate that was gotten by merely having the experience of being drunk or high before and perhaps taking a "recovery" lecture...also perhaps shaping opinion through 12 step meetings and the absurd book touted as fact...) who in the most serious tone and composure stated: "Its all subjective anyway" I used all my "willpower" to simply not laugh out loud in his face! Onward!
My grandfather went to medical school at 60! Practiced till his death at 97! Me...nursing school at 40...may follow in his footsteps. I guess "too old" means dead...
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