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Thought I would share this for an opportunity in Boston October 9-12, 2014 for 35 Ceu's, at the Mad Pride International Festival...
It is important to understand these issues in the realm of mental health for those interested.,..
Always look into your school first and make sure they have accreditation standards...I feel for all those who put in time and will not get any credits transferable whatsoever....What a shame and waste....maybe if they are filing for bankruptcy, they can somehow not be required to pay their student loans or if they are just doing a chapter 11, then maybe get in on the list of creditiors?? Not sure but I think this is awful for those who put money and time into this and were expecting more...
Yes there is reason to be afraid of a medications classification such as an antipsychotic.
1) There are several physical problems as a result of taking any AP, such as diabetes, metabolic syndrome, kidney disease, cardiac arrest, insomnia, eye issues, fibromyalgia, intrusive thoughts, anxiety, abnormal muscle movements, tardive dyskinesia, NMS, serotonin syndrome, CNS damage and depletion of GABA receptors and many other side effects too long to list but can be found on RXlist.com..
2) There are reports, studies and clinical trials that report that people who take AP's have more incidences of rehospitalization and more relapses than those treated with placebos..Incidences of psychosis are more common once on a AP and also there is a risk of psychosis in a withdrawal period. Not to mention long term disability
3) No there are not many conditions AP's are used for except for psychosis and sleep (Seroquel)
4) There is agreement now between many prominent psychiatrists that AP's should be used short term and that long term use can cause permanent disability.
5) Resulting Stigma, discrimination among others in society as well as medical discrimination and inability to receive life insurance.
Yes it is possible to go to nursing school with a mental illness, to graduate and get licensed however if your illness is reported either by you, someone who knows you, your doctor or anyone else who may have issue with this, or if you have prior hospitalizations, or if their is a complaint against you for any reason and this is revealed, you will be put into a monitoring program from anywhere from 2-5 years with reporting from your psychiatrist, therapist and be required to submit to random drug screens at your expense anywhere from 1-12 times per month, you will be required to send in monthly reports, sign your privacy consent away and also be required to pay for administrative fees every year to pay for participation in the program...Sorry chris you are having intrusive thoughts which sometimes be a result of a change in medication, withdrawal of one or a side effect of one. Blocking out thoughts or changing them is sometimes more beneficial than medication at times. It was put to me at one point that we get 60,000 thoughts a day and a way to assist with intrusive thoughts is to just watch them, notice them as if you are a bystander, and imagine that they are on a conveyer belt just dropping off the end...distraction is also helpful...it is common under the stress of nursing school to experience anxiety as to the nature of the stress involved, the expectations and the pressure related to exceed and pass...remember that intrusive thoughts are just that, harmless, bothersome, etc....we do have control over what we think about at times. Norman Vincent Peale said once "Change your thoughts- change your world"
Felt it was vital to share this here as Nurses who deal with these Types of patients....
It may change the way you view your practice.............hopefully...
Many "psych" patients are uncommunicative....but here are some results from those who are....
So many say that suicide is selfish. It is not. It is about feeling that the world is better off without you, and it is a way of ending the pain of self-hate. I am cannot believe how much Mr. Williams' death has affected me.
[QUOTE=ixchel, rn;8069594]BeOne77, I feel the emotion behind your post and offer you hugs, first and foremost.
A standard nursing education will include psychiatric nursing, including these medications - taking them and stopping them, and the dangers of both.
Umm Yes a "standard" nursing education does include psychiatric nursing Yes and No standard nursing education nor standard medical education goes into the "stopping" of Psychiatric medication properly...All too often Psychiatrists will tell you Oh, that's not working or you don't want to take that? Or its causing too many unwanted side effects? Ok well this is what you should do. EX:..if you are on 15mg of Abilify, you should cut down to 10mg the first week, then go down to 5mg, then 2.5 the last week, then alternate 2.5 every other day until you are off....Does anyone realize the problem with this advice?
Well Let me tell you if the brain is given an antipsychotic, and you take it away in this manner at this rate, the brain function of what it was regulating when on the drug does not give it time to restabilize thus resulting in shakes, tremors, terror, nausea, wrenching pain, anxiety, insomnia, fibromyalgia, psychosis, heart palps, metabolic issues, blurry vision, etc..cortisol levels are influenced, the CNS is destabilized, adrenals are stressed, the gut is damaged, etc. Often more times than not the patient returns to the doctor and asks the doctor what is happening with me? Oh and did I say hallucinations, suicidal ideation, confusion, depersonalization and derealization,.
..So you return and the doc says Oh your original condition must be returning...let's try something else...And here you go on and on and on until you finally pick up a book by Peter Breggin MD called "Your Drug may be your problem" and the light switch gets turned on....Geesh this explains a lot...So NO Nursing education is indeed basic when it comes to "stopping" medication and too often because of the lack of knowledge and preparation in this area too many people are suffering and feel it is necessary to go back on the drug and live a drugged existence with not much emotional variance. But Yes there is a way to get off safely...it is called Tapering...You taper 10% or less even to 5% or even less than that according to what your body can handle...It is done not in weeks but months or years...For people who have been on these drugs 10, 20, 30 years you cannot expect someone for example if they want to become pregnant to jump off this within a week or even a month...
Relapse is bound to happen because of the changes in neural pathways that have been changed as a result of taking the drug.....Everyone knows that when you stop alcohol or caffeine there are w/d symptoms and these are not as extreme or intense as the powerful substances as the concocted complex chemical molecular structure of the psychotropics...And no the pharmaceutical companies do not have discontinuation schedules for these drugs...They haven't studied it..They test on monkeys, then test subjects and No I am not frustrated by the assumptions and thoughts shared here...I am only speaking about a subject that only the people who have withdrawn by their doctors advice who are supposed to be educated in this subject but are not because they are not getting it in the medical education and certainly not from the pharm industry..I am only sharing a subject dear to me because I have gone through it and know now there is little information besides Prof. Heather Ashton's Manual on benzowithdrawal as a guide to the mental mess and pain and suffering these drugs are actually causing.
..I am trying to bring awareness to a subject that is now becoming more widespread than most nurses realize and there is more and more information coming out regarding this subject where medical science has not breached the subject. All too often doctors will do test after test to try and determine what is causing all of these symptoms and can't find anything wrong....and thus reblame the patient for their medical condition because they themselves can't figure it out....
There really is no reason to be giving stimulants to ADHD children or antipsychotics to 2-4 year olds..because a parent can't control a child or the child is having problems at school. That's why there is counseling and discipline...
And Yes there is truth when the bottle says do not discontinue without seeking medical advice, do not stop abruptly, if you miss a dose do not double up on the dose. If you miss this dose, then take the next dose at the next scheduled time....
And doctors will try and convince you that your "illness" has returned or you are relapsing when they are clueless that the drug they have given you is the source of the problem. The recommended result? Add more of the drug or switch to something else and risk w/d..not the correction and certainly not a cure or a healing for depression or even psychosis....Many of these drugs such as Klonipin or Ativan are designed for short term use of up to two weeks at most....Some people have been on doses of up to 12mg of Ativan or 60mg of Valium for 20-30 years....There are people on 1200mg of Seroquel, 11mg of Risperadol, 90mg of Remeron....These are very outrageous doses....and these all have sedating and tranquilizing effects...I am not sure why anyone would want to be sedated in these states for 20-30 years but this is what happens to the "mentally ill" and they die on average 25 years earlier than the average due to physical problems and debilitation caused by the drugs....Just trying to get awareness out there that this is not ok and that it causes more pain and suffering physically as well as financially, emotionally and to the people around them as to the lack of life within them...
"High serotonin is known to be an indicator for carcinoid tumors."
.... Not sure where you were going with that statement. Serotonin levels can be elevated in carcinoid tumors and are elevated during a carcinoid crisis. But there are other biomarkers (CgA, PPP, pancreastatin,NkA,etc) that must be present to indicate NET/CS.
I do believe the US population is over medicated, in general. And that the true definitions of mental disorders are grossly exaggerated. However I also believe there are some people that benefit from pharma treatment of true mental disorder. In fact, a side effect of antidepressants is suicide due to the fact that the person is getting back in balance and energy levels are the first to rebound. Which is why patients on these meds should be monitored closely.
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I also think it could have had to do with a high IQ (not that I know his IQ, I'm just guessing he was VERY intelligent.) They say brilliance isn't far from madness... his mind probably moved at about 1,000 miles a minute. That was pretty obvious in his quick wit. He most likely over analyzed everything in the world around him.
An example of this that comes to mind is Mozart. He was extremely suicidal. Many of the most famous composers and writers were and their IQ's were off the charts.
Just another theory!
Just posting my personal opinion based on my experience with this as well as looking in a somewhat objective sense....I believe that mr. Williams went to a treatment center in the beginning of July for his addiction to alcohol and depression and while there was given medication such as an antidepressant or an anti-anxiety pill which unbeknownst to many on this board do not understand the implications of switching meds or withdrawing from them which can induce suicidality...you may be aware that the antidepressants themselves have these warnings as well but when put into an extreme position of a CT withdraw if indeed this happened at this facility (no one knows for sure) the resulting effect is downright mental torture, with intrusive thoughts, anxiety and terror, panic, breathing and cardiac palpitations, a suffering like no other, so before you judge this man on just plain , bipolar, alcoholic, drug addicted maybe using humor to combat it all, I really don't believe anyone can comment to to this except for those who have experience themselves with taking and withdrawing from psychotropics...it not only changes your neurochemistry, jolts the CNS but brings thoughts and images worse than your favorite horror flick...........And to think this is drug induced....It was his choice to do this... just as anyone can deny chemo, surgery, or any other medical procedure..
..and if you care to comment or post challenging views pm me and i'll bring you to a world of sufferers who are trying their damndest to get off these drugs reregulate their brain chemistry, return to homeostasis and survive after being given these drugs...And perhaps you might be more wary before encouraging the "mentally ill" to take their meds. It is no fun, a serious issue and a lifetime of rehabilitation after taking these drugs which not only mess with brainchemistry but result in kidney, metabolic, liver, heart and TD,NMS, antichlinergic effects, stomach issues, severe nerve and muscle pain among over 3000 side effects for some drugs such as Abilify and Seroquel, when in all reality before a dx is made in a casual 20min visit, there are no blood tests, x-rays, biochemical markers, brain scans only on medicated subjects or gene tests to determine this when in fact new studies have come out that psychotropics only 50% metabolize in the system, ......
...the research out there has been flawed in regards to clinical trials, safety and the truth of FDA approval in which drugs are given the green light in 6-8 weeks on small test subjects and do not include those who dropped out..And no one discusses the significance of discontinuation syndrome, serotonin syndrome and no one acknowledges the severity of withdrawal syndrome which should be in all reality a college course for nursing and medical students alike in which needless suffering can be avoided if there was places to go for withdrawal and educated individuals assisting with the process and not just brushing it under the rug calling it depression, schizo, bipolar, ocd, gad, etc.. ...and then adding more drugs for this symptom, the next symptom..and yes the antidepressants can cause Mania as well as anti-anxiety drugs can cause depression and worse symptoms...
.We do not know enough about the brain to be haphazardly throwing meds at people as a once size fits all solution when their minds are the most precious piece of hardware....Their must be other solutions, Not everyone is on these drugs, they must have some idea.?? And for those of us who have been through the med merry go round and withdraw...please don't judge people who have gone through this, have a dx and for me will continue to speak out at the dangers of these medications...Been on both sides of the fence as a patient and healthcare provider...for too long.
Have you thought about teaching nursing or teaching CNAs?
Or you can teach English overseas.
What can one do outside of nursing with a BSN and a BS. in Liberal studies, a phlebotomist certificate, a MA certificate and a CPS certificate? IDEAS?? BESIDES THESE?
best of luck finding a job...they are out there....
Hark and hark- Philadelphia law firm...
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