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I am not a CNL, but three of my good friends completed CNL programs after I suggested that they do that instead of a second Bachelor's. After four years as a staff nurse, one just recently secured a position as a "Patient Care Coordinator" (equivalent to an Assistant Nurse Manager in most hospitals). The other two, after three years, are still staff nurses.
The thing with the CNL degree -- or any direct-entry MSN -- is that you're still a baby nurse when you graduate. There is only one CNL program in my area, and the graduates have a bad reputation because many -- not all, but many -- come out of school expecting to go straight into a nurse leadership position. Not gonna happen.
The other half of this problem is that you have people who have zero clinical experience attempting to write papers and give presentations on topics that they have no meaningful experience with. As a direct-entry option, the CNL is just poorly implemented.
My three CNL friends are excellent bedside nurses. However, I don't think that the CNL portion of their program really prepared them to be leaders any more than any other direct-entry MSN program would have.
If you already have a Bachelor's degree, I would definitely check into a direct-entry MSN of any kind. However, just be realistic -- as you seem to be -- about career expectations.
If you do not already have a BSN, I would go for the cheapest and fastest option that will get you into a CNM program.
The thing with the CNL degree -- or any direct-entry MSN -- is that you're still a baby nurse when you graduate.
I have a question that I would truly like for it to be answered. If you're a baby nurse with an msn, what are you with an asn/adn, or bsn? Are you a fetus or also a baby nurse? Because I mean, they also have to do clinicals and internships too. What is the reason you called cnl and other DE people baby nurses, but didn't include the lower degrees in that? Curious to know....
Finally, a good point. I'm shocked people don't make this point more often. Although, I personally don't think we (PA/NP doctorate holders) should introduce ourselves as Dr. So and So, I think this point you are making is a good argument and I can't dispute what you are saying.
If I go to the dentist then I expect the doctor I see to be a dentist. If I go to the chiro I expect that doctor to be a chiro. Going to psych well....that can be a bit more tricky as I know there are LMFT, LISW, LPC, psychologists, etc. Now if going to a hospital does the public really understand their OMFS, podiatrist, DDS is not a medical doctor? Most people don't even know there are two different types of physicians. So, probably not. Would we add to the confusion when there is already a variety of doctors in a hospital setting? I think only when the patient is unhappy or feels they were treated poorly would they even care the provider introduced themselves as doctor instead of PA/NP.
Really? Yahoo!!! Way to go, girl.
Wherefore art thee Mods?
Yea no venom detected. Test results do show elevated levels of butt hurt.
There seem to be a lot of similar threads lately.
Maybe there should be a sub-forum for nurses who have a situation that makes them sound like a drug abuser, but they are really innocent.
More important, where in the world did she find 15 extra pillows? I've been in places that didn't have that many extra pillows for the entire facility, much less one unit!!
Eating is a hobby...
I just stumbled across this post and thought to myself; "I would copy that sign, 'X' out the reference to 'Physicians', and insert the word 'Nurses'. I would then paste on every employee bathroom in the facility, just to make a point. (.....and I would include a tag line that says "Nurses need safe-havens too".
My employer is having a breakfast party one day, a lunch party another, and manicures another. They are being held in the administrative buildings, so no staff nurses will have time to leave the floor and get over there and back since its a pretty good walk to get there. And they seem to have forgotten we are not allowed to wear NAIL POLISH. So like last year, we will see all the pictures on the intranet of the management enjoying the parties without us.
It's illegal to hire an obese nurse in Illinois. Don't take the risk
Yes. You have to have a BMI of 20 for women and 22 for men. Studies show critical thinking and task performance are directly related to weight. I personally refuse care from a nurse who is overweight, as he/she cannot possibly care for me safely.
I never said to not provide them with educational feedback. I completely agree with you on this point and am glad you are providing them with positive reinforcement. Educating them is certainly not negative. What I'm saying is to not use discipline as your main tool if you want your students to respect you and to motivate them.
I have to somewhat agree and disagree with motivating students as being part of your job. Although it most likely isn't in your job description, it would make a world of difference to a student if you were to apply this in your teaching. You're doing the students a favor, it really doesn't take any effort, and you could make great nurses out of them.
Isn't it better to provide a few encouragements and motivate a student, than have these same students most likely obtain the degree and take out their lack of motivation out on their patients? It's not that hard to pass without motivation, believe me. I know plenty of people who loathe nursing and get the best grades in the entire class.
And to answer you on how the instructor is supposed to compliment them when they're doing nothing, you have to compliment them when they're doing SOMETHING. This will make them more likely to do SOMETHING. You can say something like, "Good job on finishing all of those vitals early," "Good job on cleaning up the unit when you have nothing to do," or "I really like how you sit down and talk with patients." Now tell me, when you were in nursing school and if an instructor were to tell you these things, what is the likelihood you would do it again? For me, it's 100%.
I'm not one to judge, and I wouldn't blame you if you have any resentment against nursing students. Most of us just "don't get it." But I'm sure that you were in the same situation in nursing school as well, and I really hope you find the patience and the time to take my advice, even though it's coming from a nursing student.
Touro University Nevada has an online DNP program specifically for nurse academic educators.
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