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    Really, I am torn now between laughing and crying, but Ok I’ll say this much -

    My great great great great great great great grandfather arrived in Boston in 1634 from Manchester, before there was an INS. I can prove it if the need arises. I’m not sure why that matters, but now you know.

    I am not a nurse, but I am an experienced hiring manager in another profession with a lot of international experience, and I assure you I can (and do) read about and comprehend complex issues.

    I find most of your comments on licensing and immigration to be accurate. In the case of this 0606NLE I have reached a different (informed) opinion than you.

    I don’t wish to argue; I believe people should ask the agencies for clarification and form their own opinion. We applicants are at risk, and have a responsibility to know and understand the regulations and to comply. That is what I am doing for myself and my fiancée.

    Thanks for understanding!

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    I like to say once again--
    Please write to cgfns and the local state bon that you want to apply to and ask them what is their position and do not rely on the opinions posted here. Some of us have done that and have been told that if the philippine candidate is not registered with PRC, then they are not licensed. If you read the cgfns application forms for CES and Visascreen, if will be clear what that means.

    Just sharing my experience, strength and hope

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    an updated version is here -- http://newsinfo.inq7.net/topstories/...ticle_id=26968

    Please note that Mr. Brion explained the 15 days can be plus plus --

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    "I hear that there are motions for reconsiderations to be filed. As a general rule, we don't implement decisions that are not yet final and unless otherwise directed by the courts," Brion said, adding that proceeding with the oath-taking might "cause legal complications."
    Brion and Ermita said that court decisions normally take effect 15 days after they have been served to the parties.
    "But that 15-day period stops when a motion for reconsideration is filed," Brion explained.
    Unquote

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    Ohhhh Sorry I made mistake! And removed my comments. Bad logic day...Sorry

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    Try search those four words in Yahoo. Looks like a 4 people company established in 2003 only. What happens when you call the phone number listed in Rhode Island? Good Luck!

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    Congrats to you and your Filipina. I am also engaged to a Filipina RN, part of the June 06 batch. My experience is there is SO MUCH MISINFORMATION among the Filipinos, and they tend to have a "herd mentality". You fiancee doesn't need experience, and in most cases she doesn't need to take the Philippine NLE, in fact if she plans to never practise in the Phils, her better plan is not to take the exam! Both of you should read about the licensing requirements in the state(s) you are interested in, and learn what is required for that. Plus you need to learn about how to petition your fiancee (or your wife) to become a permanent resident of the US. It's a bit time consuming, but not so hard to accomplish. For sure she will need to pass the NCLEX. If she has a usa tourist visa, you can marry in the states and do a Adjustment Of Status (AOS) petition and complete testing and licensing from US side. If no visa, then you can consider fiancee or spousal visa while she is still in the Phils. Maybe a 1 year process? The only MUST HAVE that I can see is, get the CES from cgfns before doing your AOS petition to be sure her education meets cgfns/State BON standards, and MAYBE an English language proficiency test if her school was in tagalog. Best wishes, and Good Luck!

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    ya, there's an old saying...be careful what you pray for, coz you might just get it!
    so, yes until the picture of re-test becomes clear, still you and most of your batch-mates remain stuck until further notice. in my mind even the 26000 "flunkers" are back in turmoil, coz now pgma says she likes everbody to retest 3 and 5. but if i did not pass, i would prefer just regular 100% retake in dec 06. at least that way i am already registered and making a study plan, etc.

    *sigh*
    well, take it one day a time, make the best of your idle time, and pray that it moves forward soon and to the benefit of the talented filipino nurses who are just trying to be productive in their careers and lives. may god bless you all! ingat!

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    congratulations! :flowersfo please tell us when the att is granted. thanks! and good luck!! :d

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    well, as our moderators so patiently explain to everybody that has questions about the process, anyone interested can read the information available from the agencies, for example cgfns at their webpage regarding visascreen -- [font='times new roman']http://cgfns.com/sections/prog/visa.shtml and can download the application booklet here -- [font='times new roman']http://cgfns.com/pdf/apps/vs%20handbook%20web.pdf
    [font='times new roman'][font='times new roman']
    [font='times new roman'][font='times new roman']here are two sentences from the visascreen description which cause me to believe there will be a problem at cgfns/ichp and visascreen with respect to the june 06 nle. [font='times new roman'][font='times new roman']
    [font='times new roman'][font='times new roman']quote
    [font='times new roman'][font='times new roman']the visascreen™ program is comprised of an educational analysis, licensure validation, english language proficiency assessment, and in the case of nurses, an exam of nursing knowledge.

    the licensure review evaluates initial and all current and past licenses to assure they are valid and unencumbered.
    unquote
    just as suzanne says, they cannot currently verify your license with prc because of the court problem. what happens after the court makes a decision is anybody's guess. if it goes to the supreme court, then there will be more waiting. that's why suzanne is advising most people that took the june 2006 nle to restest, just to stop the headache.

    just my informed opinion.

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    Well, seems to me if we read that Alfredo Rosario Manila Times article closely, we realize that the officials from cgfns implied four things - 1) re-computation was unusual, 2) it MAY affect June 2006 NLE passers (MAY is significantly different than WILL), 3) that they would have to screen the June 2006 batch more rigorously than they normally do, and 4) they are willing to consider more test locations and times in the Philippines.

    However the article clearly states that the cgfns officials refused to speak directly about the NLE test controversy.

    So, my conclusion is...they did not say "yes, and they did not say "no", leaving me to conclude the same as I have before this article - the only way to clearly know is to apply. My informed opinion remains that if you don't need VisaScreen, then they don't care if you passed the NLE or not - the NCLEX is the determining test, and many State BONs don't require a local license.

    We all can agree in theory that retesting is indeed one obvious way to solve the problem. But is it really a solution? Sadly it appears that the entire 500 question database of at least one section was leaked by the BON Director. Given that problem and the problem of an empty BON to write approve or certify a new test, demanding a retake leaves us exactly in the same place - STUCK.
    Just my opinion. :wink2:

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    suzanne will you please just humor me and read the instructions and the form for para 13 of the ces application taken from the 2006 handbook for ces --

    [font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]quote
    [font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]item 13. registration/license
    [font=minionpro-regular]a. please list your legal professional title(s) and country(ies) where your title(s) are registered/licensed.
    [font=minionpro-regular]b. list the state(s)/province(s)/country(ies) where you hold a current registration/license as a healthcare professional.
    [font=minionpro-regular]c. indicate whether your registration/license has ever been revoked, suspended or restricted. be sure to answer this question for all
    [font=minionpro-regular]registration/licenses that you hold now and have held in the past.
    [font=minionpro-regular]d.check the appropriate box if you are not currently registered/licensed and explain.
    [font=minionpro-regular]failure to answer the questions in item 13 will result in a delay.[font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]

    -----------------------------------------------------------

    [font=myriadpro-semiboldit]please provide the following information.
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]a. [font=myriadpro-regular]list your legal professional title(s) and country(ies) where your title(s) are registered/licensed.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]b. [font=myriadpro-regular]list the state(s)/province(s)/country(ies) where you hold a [font=myriadpro-semibold]current [font=myriadpro-regular]registration/license as a healthcare professional.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]c. [font=myriadpro-regular]have any of your registrations/licenses ever been revoked, suspended or restricted for any reason?
    [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]yes [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]no if "yes", please attach an explanation to your application.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]d. [font=myriadpro-regular]if you are not currently registered/licensed, please indicate and explain.
    [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]not currently registered/licensed [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]never registered/licensed
    [font=myriadpro-regular]explanation: __________________________________________________ ___________________________________________
    [color=white][font=myriadpro-bold]13 [font=myriadpro-bold]registration/license
    [font=myriadpro-cond]forward a copy of "[font=myriadpro-semiboldcondit]request for validation of registration/license form[font=myriadpro-cond]" to the authority where you were initially registered/licensed and to all authority(ies) where you are currently registered/licensed outside of the u.s.[font=myriadpro-semiboldit]
    unquote


    regarding the application for ces only, it remains my contention that the 06/06 nle takers/passers can in all good faith say in section 13d that they took the philippine nle but the licenses have not been issued by the regulatory commission and the outcome is pending review in the philippine appeals court.

    thanks for taking a look at the handbook....

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    Well, all I can say for sure is they (CGFNS) don't take phone calls and email is limited to 500 characters and then only during their business hours M-F 9 to 4:30 East Coast time except friday 4pm coz their computer needs to rest then. The result of sending them email was a terse reply to apply for the CES and see what happens. Which is what I have been suggesting for some days now...

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    ohhh gosh, let's be careful with such harsh legal terms (fraud). filling up a form and answering it correctly/honestly to the best of your ability does not constitute fraud. an example of fraud would be claiming your pet turtle named henry as a dependant on your income taxes in an attempt to fraud the government out of taxes due. hehe.

    below are copies from the cgfns ces handbook for paragraph 13 of the ces application, dealing with the registration/license. it is not fraud to answer (see item 13 d) with the truth: to wit - the nle was taken but the license has not been issued by the regulatory authority and is pending in the philippine courts. if anyone cares to read the handbook in its entirety it can be found here --

    http://www.cgfns.com/pdf/apps/ces%20handbook%20web.pdf
    [font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]
    [font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]quote
    [font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]item 13. registration/license
    [font=minionpro-regular]a. please list your legal professional title(s) and country(ies) where your title(s) are registered/licensed.
    [font=minionpro-regular]b. list the state(s)/province(s)/country(ies) where you hold a current registration/license as a healthcare professional.
    [font=minionpro-regular]c. indicate whether your registration/license has ever been revoked, suspended or restricted. be sure to answer this question for all
    [font=minionpro-regular]registration/licenses that you hold now and have held in the past.
    [font=minionpro-regular]d.check the appropriate box if you are not currently registered/licensed and explain.
    [font=minionpro-regular]failure to answer the questions in item 13 will result in a delay.[font=myriadpro-semiboldcond]

    -------------------------------------------------------

    [font=myriadpro-semiboldit]please provide the following information.
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]a. [font=myriadpro-regular]list your legal professional title(s) and country(ies) where your title(s) are registered/licensed.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]b. [font=myriadpro-regular]list the state(s)/province(s)/country(ies) where you hold a [font=myriadpro-semibold]current [font=myriadpro-regular]registration/license as a healthcare professional.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]c. [font=myriadpro-regular]have any of your registrations/licenses ever been revoked, suspended or restricted for any reason?
    [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]yes [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]no if "yes", please attach an explanation to your application.
    [font=myriadpro-regular]__________________________________________________ _______________________________________________
    [font=myriadpro-semibold]d. [font=myriadpro-regular]if you are not currently registered/licensed, please indicate and explain.
    [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]not currently registered/licensed [font=universal-newswithcommpi]h [font=myriadpro-regular]never registered/licensed
    [font=myriadpro-regular]explanation: __________________________________________________ ___________________________________________
    [color=white][font=myriadpro-bold]13 [font=myriadpro-bold]registration/license
    [font=myriadpro-cond]forward a copy of "[font=myriadpro-semiboldcondit]request for validation of registration/license form[font=myriadpro-cond]" to the authority where you were initially registered/licensed and to all authority(ies) where you are currently registered/licensed outside of the u.s.[font=myriadpro-semiboldit]
    unquote


    by the way, what i think cgfns is most interested in is the case where a license has been revoked and/or suspended (and why).

    [font='times new roman']well, anyway, here we are again, just trying to demystify this whole process, which i find is best done by educating oneself in the subject and then applying the acquired knowledge to remove barriers to success, ever remembering that faith overcomes fear...[quote=lawrence01]if your talking about the june 2006; applicants who took the june 2006 need to disclose that they took it and they cannot say that results are pending because technically there is a result already but no license can be verified. by saying that results are pending would mean possible fraud since it's well known in the world already that there is a result and a list of the passers are published in the prc website and other local newspaper's website. the popular local review centers, likewise, publish the students names on their website that took their review w/ them and passed.

    this is just fyi. :wink2:[/quote]

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    OK, for those needing Visascan, that's a problem that seems like it cannot be overcome. But if you don't need the visa, for example if you have fiancee visa or family petition, I think there is a path that is worth pursuing. My research says some/many State BONs don't care about the NLE or the Local Philippine License. What I cannot get any concrete statement about is the CES from CGFNS. My opinion is it's no different from those that never took the NLE. Since I cannot get definitive advice, it seems the only way is apply for the CES to CGFNS and find out if they can complete the CES without confirmation from PRC. Of course we will mention in the application NLE taken and results pending. This is why I keep asking to hear if any 0606 passer has applied for CES...and what was the result? I think not many applied, eh?

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    Well, thanks Diane for your concern. But what are we waiting FOR?? More of the same?


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