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For those that are going to work, full time, part time or casual ....PLEASE READ THIS and have your parents or family members PLEASE READ THIS as well.
I have my finals next week (I'm almost done with my 1st semester at Columbia University's CRNA program that started at the beginning of the summer.)
There are some in the program that are working full time and part time. Although some are doing alright, there are definitely a few who will be OUT of the program by the end of next week for getting F's and some who will be on ACADEMIC PROBATION after their FIRST semester.
Even those that are working and passing, I can guarantee that ALL of the material and connections have not "sunk in" and they are FRAZZLED!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why would you start a program that is so hard to get into and then jeopardize it? The people that will be OUT of the program by the end of next week all said the exact same thing: "I thought I could handle it? I didn't realize this or that?" No disrespect but....are you kidding me?
So now out THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, some of these people will be eligible to come back and some of them will not. How foolish and what a complete and total waste of time and money!
Many of my classmates also have children. We have TA review sessions for advanced physiology and one of my colleagues who is in SERIOUS jeopardy of not being here next week (who has also worked) said she could not go to a very important review session because she could not get a baby sitter.
While that may be true...why would someone even bother starting such a program if they didn't have the resources AND TIME to put into it to be successful. This is not an easy program and requires not 80% but a 100% commitment. Yes there is some time here and there for personal stuff but ANY time I am not studying, I feel so guilty! (like right now!)
So to all who think they can work and do this ...."if they just work really hard"...think about it long and hard...and picture yourselves with tears in your eyes in the program director's office after your first round of finals wondering to your selves...."how did this happen to me?"
That's the EXACT scenario that will occur for at least 2 people next week. For at least 4 or 5 others (who are not even working)...they will be in that same office and won't be crying AS MUCH because they will ONLY be on ACADEMIC PROBATION.
So now they have the ADDITIONAL stress of having their backs up against the wall and have to do significantly better to achieve a combined B average after their 2nd (and HARDER) semester. So i guess their dismissal conversation won't occur until just before christmas, after they've wasted not 1 but 2 semesters in time and money.
For me, we have a month off or so after finals. I'm going to take a week off and work like a dog for 3 weeks and then depending on how the next semester is, MAYBE work 1 or 2 days a MONTH....but maybe not...it depends on the next semester.
Please note there is NO working during clinicals (next May for us)!
It's not a question about honesty or not...you don't need to share EVERY single one of your thoughts, dreams, hopes and desires, favorite color, if you want to have children etc. What if someone wanted to have a baby (and take off for 6 months on maternity leave)? Would you share THAT with them? I see no difference. Any aspirations you MAY have are simply that. You DON"T have an acceptance letter in your hand and you have NO CURRENT DEFINITIVE PLAN. Your only concrete plan AT PRESENT is to work in the ICU.
Someone brought up a good point about rec's. You can get a LOR from ANYONE who is intimately familiar with your work and who is a supervisory level. This could be a manager/asst manager/asst director, any charge nurse with whom you work, any physician/ surgeon with whom you work. I got my letters from my charge nurses and from the Chief of Staff at our hospital. I could have gotten recs from my direct "managers" but for me, I focused on where my very best recs would come from in terms of content. I could have gotten many more from surgeons I worked with every day but I already had enough.
You have NO idea with whom you will get along/ not get along and feel comfortable. You want to get your LOR's from people that know your work AND from those that think you're a "rock star" and who really like you as a person and respect your work. Right now, you have absolutely NO idea who that will be.
Again, you will serve your unit well if you become the very best ICU nurse you can be. I think "god" will be just fine if you don't share any and all future plans you may have in your life with a prospective employer. I think "god" will be very happy if you serve your patients, their family members, and your colleagues to the very best of your abilities and competencies.
Good luck to you!
4-5 years time for you to be there is ridiculous. Many facilities could care less about their nurses and would give someone the boot without a moment's notice. DO NOT share your desires and intentions. Only say that some time in the near future, you could see yourself going to school part time but you're not sure for what. Ask if the hospital reimburses if you want to go to school after working their a few years...any school...again you don't say anything about CRNA because that means you're gone. Your goal is to show an abstract interest in furthering your education and abilities as a nurse, not a concrete plan from day one. You're lucky to have opportunities.
Get the job and do the very best for your patients, your colleagues and yourself.
I worked at my last hospital for 18 months. I'm now finishing my 1st semester at Columbia.
I am also in the CRNA program at Columbia and I disagree with my colleague. Columbia is highly numbers driven ESPECIALLY the GRE. Getting an 830...well..that's just a really bad score...incredibly sub standard for most schools...especially Columbia. I'm not trying to be mean but I want to be frank with you. You are competing with people that have achieved over 1400 on their GRE's. An 830 is an incredibly low score. A 390 quant score is just unthinkable. Math is the one section you can actually work on and well a 390 shows the adcom that you haven't. I absolutely wish you the best but the purpose of the GRE, or at least one of them, is specifically to try to compare you against the applicant pool. An 830 will more than likely put you in the very bottom 2-5% of most every applicant pool at every school out there.
I would think the bare minimum would be 1000, and I sincerely believe even that is too low for Columbia. I would absolutely take a GRE course and retake the exam.
Let him know that sometimes schools expressly forbid you to work and actually have you sign something to that effect I'm just completing my 1st semester and already 2-3 people may be let go after finals next week due to poor grades (who thought they could do it while working).
As far as working full time while attending an MBA program, I have an MBA from a top 3 school....impossible to work AT ALL at that level!
When your family sees how hard you are studying...when you'r "locked away", then they'll realize.
I just started this summer in Columbia University's CRNA program. I would definitely get your ccrn, take organic chem...and do well on your GRE...1000 is not competitive for Columbia, but it's ok for many schools..better to shoot higher...try and break 1100 at least, preferably higher but 1100 is at least quasi respectable.
No disrespect meant but if you give people information, you should check first to make sure it is correct information.
First, the minimum is 1 year of ICU experience. Most have more. I will have almost 2.5 years ICU experience before I start my program.
Second, there is NO requirement to have ANY ER experience at all. Most programs will not even consider ER experience at all if one has no ICU experience.
Also, I have a bachelor's in business and went to an associate's program and have no BSN.
So to the OP, it's best to do your own research along with what you read on these boards as I have oftentimes noticed incorrect and/or incomplete information.
To even be considered for a CRNA program you need to have a minimum of 3 years in the I.C.U and a year of experience in the E.R....in other words you have to have a lot of experience AND have a BSN for any CRNA program because it is an advanced practice program. Anything with the high possibility of accidentally killing someone requires a lot of school. Both of the options you listed need a BSN before you go on to higher level learning and not just the 2 year license. Any advanced programs require atleast a BSN. Good luck!
I would be looking for jobs in other states as well. Basically once you have your 1 plus years hospital experience, it will be significantly easier to get a job.
Thank you for your input. You are certainly right with the HR point of view. I hold myself, my education, and my RN license in high regard, as any nurse would. But I'm noticing fellow nurses are growing despondent with their job searches and resorting to positions as aides and techs. And in truth, it does convey desperation. When family obligations need to be met and bills are mounting, desperate measures will be made.
I am grateful to have had one job interview already, and will continue to be persistent in my job efforts. I hope that we can all stay positive during our search and land the job to kick off our nursing careers.
If I were a member of the admissions committee, I would be curious to know why, if it is your desire and dream to be a crna, do you not work full time in an ICU?
If I were you, I would do the firefighter/paramedic thing part time and do ICU full time for sure. Everything seems fine to me...however working part time in the ICU puts a little question in the adcom minds....at least to me....and why lessen your chances in any way if indeed this is something you really want.
You will be competing with people whose story will be they moved half way across the country to find an ICU position...compared to you working part time.
This is just a piece of the admit puzzle but I would ask you why part time ICU within the 1st minute of your interview if I were on the adcom.
Is anyone still waiting to hear from Northeastern?
Thank you ! Do they place primarily in the city?
Can anyone tell me what the per diem and registry climate is like in NYC? Are there jobs available? I will be starting Columbia's nurse anesthesia program in June and need 1 or 2 days a week. I am an ICU nurse with 2 years experience and I have my CCRN. Any hospitals or registry companies that you could recommend would be greatly appreciated! Also, what is the going rate for registry/per diem in NYC?
It's probably a good thing you haven't posted for quite some time. I always have to laugh when I hear the "holier than though" tone from senior CRNA's with experience. I must say you sound EXACTLY like the types of MD's that nurses complain about. EVERYONE is entitled to his or her opinion and is allowed to ask questions. Granted the OP may not have asked a "typical" question but as someone who has just been accepted to 3 top schools, I will be a SRNA shortly and have a complete and utter disdain for such small minded people as yourself who get to decide (at least YOU think so) what is and is not relevant and important.
I actually found the information useful as this is a practical issue. I found it utterly laughable the previous poster's idea of wearing depends. On an intellectual note, having been in my fair share of federal courtrooms and having graduated from arguably one of the 1 or 2 best B-school's in the world, I am dumbfounded by some of the particularly ignorant comments that are made by the many faceless and anonymous people on these boards. It's so funny how people don't act so righteous in person, at least not in my professional nursing experience.
Why are nurses so ready to "slam" each other and those entering the profession? I've rebuked many a colleague, both privately and publicly for poor behavior. That is OUR responsibility as a profession...and by the way...nursing..on the whole...is not the "profession" they make it out to be...at least not yet. The average level of intellect possessed (at least at the RN level) is on the average lower vis a vis other professions...i.e. physician, lawyer etc. I can't even begin to tell you how many nurses I have seen and heard with such extremely poor verbal and written communication skills (U.S. born included), not to mention sub par math skills. The nursing profession needs to address some of these items as it moves forward.
Well it's off of the soap box for now but you really made my blood boil when you attacked the OP, and I guess I'm trained to protect the rights of others.
Good luck to you.
And I would like to add you must posses a sense of humor. Otherwise you are no fun to work with.
See above quote and think Res Ipsa Loquitur
For those that have taken this class, how doable (or not doable) is the final? Is it representative of the module quizzes? Harder/easier or about the same? Did you feel the final was fair?
Thank you in advance!
That's strange. I'm so sorry that you didn't hear before the holidays. That would've killed me. I would definitely send an email tomorrow explaining you hadn't received an email.
There's an admit day for the admitted students on the 21st.
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