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No. 10
from suanna
Old Aug 23, 2008, 02:23 AM

Default Re: Ativan...ETOH History...7mg IV last night? Too much?
Alcoholic patients have a tremendous tollerance for benzos. I'm sure the added work load of being NUTS wasn't helping his oxygenation. I've seen many more patients get intubated from getting too little sedation to manage thier withdrawl than from getting too much. Was he breathing?=Yes- then you didn't give too much. Screaming in DTs not an effective goal for airway management.
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No. 11
from Babs0512
Old Aug 23, 2008, 07:29 PM

Default Re: Ativan...ETOH History...7mg IV last night? Too much?
Except, he had been in the hospital 2 weeks, the DT's were long over, he was no longer addicted to ETOH!

I don't necessarily believe the nurses gave him the ativan for their convenience, but to help calm an agitated and out of control patient, which is why I believe the ativan was a chemical restraint.

When we have patients screaming, jumping up and down, raising a ruckus, if they cannot be reasoned with, they are usually giving a chemical restraint. Restraints can be used to keep the patient safe from themselves or to keep others safe from the patient.

Again, if he was in the hospital 2 weeks, he was long past the DT stage.
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No. 12
from ccuCCRN
Old Sep 29, 2008, 08:13 PM

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Heck no! For any other non-intubated patient, it might be too much but for the patient in DTs (especially at night when everyone gets nuts) 7mg is not too much. I've even had non-intubated patients on Ativan DRIPS before.
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No. 13
from hawksit
Old May 04, 2009, 08:37 PM

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Ativan doesn't really affect breathing too greatly...other than it might slow it down if the patient is hyperventilating d/t anxiety or withdrawl. 7mg is really not that much. I have seen patients on 50-60mg per hour on a drip and not intubated. It is basicallly used to prevent seizures and control the withdrawl from alcohol/other substances.
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No. 14
from nminodob
Old May 10, 2009, 09:15 AM

Default Re: Ativan...ETOH History...7mg IV last night? Too much?
One other point: One of the risks of ETOH w/d is seizure - and what drug do we commonly give for seizures? Ativan, which is also considered an anti-convulsant.
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No. 15
from Eaglelady
Old Jul 12, 2009, 05:35 PM

Default Re: Ativan...ETOH History...7mg IV last night? Too much?
Originally Posted by leslie :-D View Post
nah...
considering he had been on an ativan gtt for detox, he likely built a tolerance.
compound that with his agitation, his threshhold was even higher.

think of it this way:
those few hrs that he was yelling, those lungs of his were being expanded and was working those secretions...
decreasing his risk for pneumonia.

but since the acuity of his detox s/b over, it's time to consider meds for the long term, including one that addresses probable, forthcoming agitation- if he stays off the booze.

you're fine.
he's fine.
it's all good.

leslie
I agree last nite I gave 4 mg (PRN) IVP of ativan for bad agitation and then 4 hrs later my preceptor had me give 4 mg more he was yelling hollering and fighting but then before the end of the shift I found out the 2 doses I gave were suppose to be IM not IVP I checked the pt all night after giving it and all it did was let him sleep for a couple of hrs and then he would start all over again--he was an alcoholic prior to coming into hospital I finally called the doc and got wrist restraints but it still bothered me that I gave it IVP rather than IM although there is no way I could have given it IM he would not have let me---he pulled out 3 IVs that had to be replaced he sure wasn't about to let me give an IM so it just kinda bothered me
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No. 16
from Rook
Old Sep 05, 2009, 01:11 AM

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Asked a MD why we don't give Haldol to DT patients and was told it increases the chance of seizure.

Had a patient who had serious DTs, was getting Ativan for 72HRs 2mg oral Q2H and 1mg IM Q3H. Didn't sleep a wink for 3 days kept on trying to get OOB (he fell once) and was on restraints for about 36 of those 72hrs. Plus when he would fight on restraints or try to get OOB he'd go from 110-120bpm to 160-180bpm.
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No. 17
from c0ntagion
Old Sep 05, 2009, 12:31 PM

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I don't know if you guys use the WAS protocol at all, but I've had patients where I'm giving 12 mg every hour. Keep in mind that these patients are usually on the vent. However, I have even given that much to non-vented patients who are having bad DTs.
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No. 18
from Eaglelady
Old Sep 05, 2009, 02:23 PM

Default Re: Ativan...ETOH History...7mg IV last night? Too much?
Originally Posted by Rook View Post
Asked a MD why we don't give Haldol to DT patients and was told it increases the chance of seizure.

Had a patient who had serious DTs, was getting Ativan for 72HRs 2mg oral Q2H and 1mg IM Q3H. Didn't sleep a wink for 3 days kept on trying to get OOB (he fell once) and was on restraints for about 36 of those 72hrs. Plus when he would fight on restraints or try to get OOB he'd go from 110-120bpm to 160-180bpm.
I also have a pt similiar but would not recommend Haldol either b/c haldol makes a bad,situation worse I'd recommend Geodon unless co traindicated
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No. 19
Old Oct 07, 2009, 07:50 AM

Default Re: Ativan...ETOH History...7mg IV last night? Too much?
First of all, it was pretty crappy for those dumb nurses to try to make you feel bad about a decision you made...

And 7 mg of ativan for a detoxer is NOTHING!! Ive seen a guy get 30 once, and it still didnt touch him.

I was taught that 2 mg of Ativan = 1 drink... So you figure if that person is used to drinking 1 drink per hour (which I highly doubt they drink that little) you can give 2 mg per hour and be ok... In my hospital we never skimp on the Vitamin A...
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