Why are male nurses looked down on? - page 6
I am a female nursing student but I dont understand why male nurses are looked down on. They are human beings too.... Read More
Jul 18, '08Quote from gonzo1I won't disagree that it provides some balance, but it's a bit unfair to say the more men the better in nursing. I think there needs to be more balanced females, in my opinion - more females who are less catty, angry, judgmental, histrionic, gossipy, feeling competitive with other females (eating their young)... I could go on and on about what should change about many females in this profession.... which is why I like the balance that males can bring (and also those females) that are easy-going and not egotistical (like me!) - makes work that much more tolerable...I have worked with many male nurses and respect 99.8 percent of them. Probably better ratio than some of the female nurses I work with. The more men in nursing the better. They add a much needed perspective on sooo many issues. They are an asset.
Jul 18, '08Quote from RN34TXwhenever I've had younger male patients (20's) - if there's a cath involved, I always ask if they'd like a male nurse - many have said they'd rather have a guy - and I don't want to embarass them, for whatever their reasons may be - unless it's the guy who's in so much pain and needs a cath, they end up not caring in the least. I don't want to put a younger man in that position of having a female of the same age or generation and to feel uncomfortable and not feel as though they can ask for a male nurse... if there is one available. Just as the younger male nurse taking care of a female of around the same age or generation not wanting to make them uncomfortable and to offer the same sex nurse for a personal procedure...Heck no.
They'd be laughed at right out of the room upon requesting such a thing.
Men aren't supposed to feel things like modesty and most certainly aren't supposed to feel intimidated or threatened by women seeing them exposed.
In fact, they shouldn't complain and should instead be enjoying the attention according to our current cultural standards.
Jul 18, '08Quote from RN34TXon that note - I walked past two of my ER docs (who are fantastic docs) gawking at this CNA who was wearing some low rider type scrub pants that were TIGHT - and just as I walked by, I noticed where they were gawking and they each said something to the other about what they'd do to that... I was horrified and pretended not to notice - only to wonder if they do that about all of the females there.... and the comments that are made by a handful of these docs to some of the female nurses (who play into this).... just further seperates and divides.......But that's my point. Not all women want male doctors and that's fine.
It makes sense to me if a female patient is uneasy with males period for her own reasons.
But to be perfectly ok with a male examining you or seeing you exposed as long as he is a doctor but not ok if it's a male nurse is the double standard I'm talking about.
If you don't want men taking care of you, fine.
But don't make exceptions for physicians because you are lulled under the false impression that just because they have more education, autonomy, authority, etc. that they somehow are above seeing female patients as sexual objects and/or being inappropriate.
And as far as people seeing them as father figures goes, well that just makes the whole thing even more absurd, bizarre, and twisted.
They are no more or less men than a male nurse is.
Over the years, I've heard plenty of MD's make inappropriate comments about female patients and colleagues alike.
Male MD's are not immune to this. They are still men with the same hormones and sexuality as a male nurse.
Professionalism is an individual thing, not a gender thing.
Jul 18, '08Quote from Scrubzmy mom makes the comment to me "why stop now, why don't you go on to medical school, you're so smart" blah blah blah - How about: because this is what I want to do. Why is it if you are smart, you must do more than being a nurse?? You must be a doctor... because nurses aren't nearly as smart as doctors....???That would have been mean but I would have laughed if I'd been there. I know I'll be good at whatever I do and I know that most people will respect that.
Hey, we men have to break this stupid stereotype that all nurses are women. Luckily the ratio is closing, slowly, but it's still closing. Every year the number of men enrolling in increases. I mean, in our lifetime nursing will always be predominatly female, but by the time we younger nurses are dug into our careers there should be many more men nurses out there.
Does anyone know the ratio of women to men in the CRNA profession? I still assume it's more women than men but most of the CRNAs I've seen are men. Just asking because that's what I intend to be eventually.
Jul 18, '08Quote from RN34TXI think males gravitate to those specialized areas where there is an adrenalin rush ... not because of the pay. Where males choose to work within a hospital setting.... that should be another thread topic - that is my belief anyway - my hubby was a rescue swimmer (and EMT) and thought the only way a guy would ever go into nursing is for trauma - that would be the only thing to interest him - so he assumes all guys must think this way..... I tell him that is all I'm interested in as well, but unfortunately you have to do the jobs of those things in between... .we all have our niche. Again, I think certain personalities are drawn to those specialities that are for those type A people...I've seen stats like that as well, but it can be a deceiving number because you need to keep in mind that men also tend to gravitate toward the better paying.
For instance, I rarely, rarely, see men working in doctor's offices (lower paying nursing jobs) and most outpatient settings.
The only settings I've ever seen men equal or even outnumber the female nursing staff in a given shift is in ICU or ER settings. (Higher base pay than in other settings, shift diff's, bonus pay for extra shifts, tons of OT).
It also seems like men have fewer childcare issues and are more freed up to work the erratic hours and off shifts in the critical care areas.
I know some female nurses who take 9-5 outpatient setting jobs simply because of childcare issues/expense and would rather take the lower paying position with better hours because the higher pay in other areas just gets eaten up in childcare expenses.
Jul 18, '08Quote from RN34TXthat stigma is unfortunately still present... sad, but true. I have heard comments from patients or visitors that are inappropriate regarding male nurses.... also from other nurses and docs... it's unfair, but it persists and it is unfortunate....I don't know about that.
We're a long way from the 70's.
I live in ultra-conservative Texas and even down here that stereotype is long dead and outdated.
The vast majority of men I've worked with on any unit in any hospital are straight as an arrow and I fail to see any assumption from anyone that they are gay because they are nurses.
Maybe in some podunk backwoods hospital, maybe....but that same mentality would go along with believing that you are gay just because you don't like hunting or football, so consider the source.
Jul 18, '08Quote from Annointed_RNStudentL&D... that is an interesting choice.... I would imagine that will be a hard unit to break - haven't ever met any males that work L&D ....As a young male nursing student who is about to graduate, that is minority and very young, I am going into L&D, and I have had no problems with patients, but while i have been interning in my last semester, the older majority nurses have given me a very hard time, and I am just slowly earning their respect, so I think that in some areas men have to definetly prove themselves harder, but I am ready to prove myself because I love L&D~
Jul 18, '08I've never perceived a negative attitude toward penis-equipped nurses. Generally, I perceive a little extra appreciation for a man who is equally as good as a woman, perhaps related to the expectation that men won't be as caring, gentle, etc. I feel very respected and appreciated by patients, families, coworkers, and management.
Quote from MassEDThey were just giving the gal the reaction she obviously wanted when she put those low, tight pants on to go to work. It was quite tacky to comment like that, though. But do you have pictures? :uhoh21: Kidding.on that note - I walked past two of my ER docs (who are fantastic docs) gawking at this CNA who was wearing some low rider type scrub pants that were TIGHT - and just as I walked by, I noticed where they were gawking and they each said something to the other about what they'd do to that... I was horrified and pretended not to notice - only to wonder if they do that about all of the females there.... and the comments that are made by a handful of these docs to some of the female nurses (who play into this).... just further seperates and divides.......
Jul 18, '08Quote from Perpetual Studentha ha though I feel bad when some guys bring attention to certain body parts (ahem... biceps) by wearing tight shirts and it's noticed that we (females) notice... or wearing tight pants and then act all "aw shucks" when it's noticed... though women are better at being more discrete....I've never perceived a negative attitude toward penis-equipped nurses. Generally, I perceive a little extra appreciation for a man who is equally as good as a woman, perhaps related to the expectation that men won't be as caring, gentle, etc. I feel very respected and appreciated by patients, families, coworkers, and management.
They were just giving the gal the reaction she obviously wanted when she put those low, tight pants on to go to work. It was quite tacky to comment like that, though. But do you have pictures? :uhoh21: Kidding.
Jul 21, '08Quote from tgb3rnFlorence Nightengale said pretty much the same thing:I'm 6'2"--VERY few nurses look down on me:spin: . I have only encountered a few that do not like me due to the fact that I am male. Most of them are like that because they have had it with men in general, not male nurses. I have on the other hand had the comment made to me, by an INSTRUCTOR in nursing school no less, that men did not belong in nursing. I won't even get into how that one turned out--wasn't pretty:angryfire .
"...the woman is superior in skill to the man in all points of sanitary domestic economy, and more particularly in cleanliness and tidiness," and, "the Anglo-Saxon would be very sorry to turn women out of his own house, or out of civil hospitals, hotels, institutions of all kinds, and substitute men-housekeepers and men-matrons." (*)
I had no idea that this attitude went back that far until I took Nursing History this summer.
Good thing Flo never met my ex-wife.
* Warner, J.H., Tighe, J.A. "Major Problems in the History of American Medicine and Public Health." 2001. Boston: Houghton Mifflin.
Jul 21, '08I am a paramedic I work in the ER and just took my nclexx. "female nurses" love to have male nurses and so do patients never received a derogatory statement to date. I was a union construction worker for ten years, maybe a few jokes from friends "GregRN". Male nurses will only help the profession, IMHO
Jul 22, '08I work in a LTC facility...Alot of the females don't want a male aide or nurse...This is d/t the fact that they are elderly and in their time it wasn't appropriate for a male to see them that exposed...Alot of the males though like having a female because they feel it makes them more macho...But some of the ladies request a man to come lift them also because as a female aide I just can't do it...I'm just not strong enough...m'kay that's why I've lifted men twice your size huh?...I guess people have alot of double standards...