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No. 20
Old May 15, 2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ArkansasFan View Post
I wholeheartedly agree in a real world setting. After the scenario in question the nurse went back to her nursing and I went on to the next procedure most likely.
When you give a drug, period, it is a "real world setting."
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No. 21
Old May 16, 2009, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ZanatuBelmont View Post
When you give a drug, period, it is a "real world setting."
I was going to say the same exact thing.

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No. 22
Old May 16, 2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ZanatuBelmont View Post
When you give a drug, period, it is a "real world setting."

Yes, but I wasn't there to deal with whatever would manifest after pushing the drug so I hereby declare this point moot.
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No. 23
Old May 16, 2009, 06:59 PM

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Yes, but I wasn't there to deal with whatever would manifest after pushing the drug so I hereby declare this point moot.
You hereby declare this point moot? You sound like your a trial judge or something, this isn't a court case. lol

!Chris
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No. 24
from Bicster
Old May 16, 2009, 07:04 PM

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i forgot what this thread was even about....
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No. 25
Old May 16, 2009, 08:41 PM

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Yes, but I wasn't there to deal with whatever would manifest after pushing the drug so I hereby declare this point moot.
The person who administered the drug is responsible for the reactions, even if the effects were not immediate.
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No. 26
Old May 17, 2009, 03:46 PM

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Well, you're not going to change my mind, lol. Besides it was at least eight years ago. I'm not as concerned about it as any of you appear to be on here.

The original question addressed what nurse students are taught and what their capabilities are upon graduation / licensing.
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No. 27
Old May 17, 2009, 04:01 PM

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Well, you're not going to change my mind, lol. Besides it was at least eight years ago. I'm not as concerned about it as any of you appear to be on here.

The original question addressed what nurse students are taught and what their capabilities are upon graduation / licensing.
I think that the reason why Zantu and I were concerned about what you said is that it goes to the core issue of responsibility of medication administration. If any person (paramedic, nurse, physician, student etc.) are administering a medication to a patient, even if its "just for practice" you are responsible for knowing what you are administering and its effects on the patient you are administering it too. The reason why we are concerned about it is because even after eight years you seem to be indifferent to the issue and that is troubling.

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No. 28
Old May 17, 2009, 07:44 PM

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I think that the reason why Zantu and I were concerned about what you said is that it goes to the core issue of responsibility of medication administration. If any person (paramedic, nurse, physician, student etc.) are administering a medication to a patient, even if its "just for practice" you are responsible for knowing what you are administering and its effects on the patient you are administering it too. The reason why we are concerned about it is because even after eight years you seem to be indifferent to the issue and that is troubling.

!Chris
Yeah, I pretty much am totally indifferent. I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying when you are the clinician, but if you're the guy learning to stick people, you do it, and then you move on to the next project to never see the person you stuck then I'm fine with having not known whatever I was doing eight years ago. I still think it's a comical example. What happened to it being a moot point? Drop it and move on, lol.
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No. 29
from jjjoy
Old May 18, 2009, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ArkansasFan View Post
Yeah, I pretty much am totally indifferent. I agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying when you are the clinician, but if you're the guy learning to stick people, you do it, and then you move on to the next project to never see the person you stuck then I'm fine with having not known whatever I was doing eight years ago. I still think it's a comical example. What happened to it being a moot point? Drop it and move on, lol.
This type of response moves to me reiterate a previous comment..." the attitude that comes across here would be a real hindrance in your pursuit for more professional responsibility." Many training programs would outright fail you if you adminstered a medication without knowing or caring what it was. You may disagree with a such a policy, and may even have good reason, but you'd do well to acknowledge that such policies exist and agree to follow them despite your disagreement; or if you consciously choose to break policy, then be willing to accept any disciplinary consequence or potential negative outcome. It reflects poorly upon you, though, to say that you don't care that you may have blatantly gone against policy in the past and going so far as to call it "comical" that people here have made an issue over it.

Who would be liable if the nurse had pulled up the wrong drug, you administered it, and the patient had a bad outcome? You might think it would be the nurse's fault and problem, and not yours, but I don't know if our legal system would agree. Are you willing to take that risk? I can see that we have to draw a line somewhere. If a nurse administers a drug contaminated by the manufacturer, the nurse shouldn't be held responsible for ensuring that the drug was pure. And in times of crisis, certain safety measures may be put aside in a tradeoff for speed. But day-to-day, a medical professional has to consider the risks of their profession and clinical actions. Some would argue that it's gone too far and fear of lawsuits constricts good practice. That may be the case, but it's the environment that we're stuck with for now. So you can't just blow off safety concerns and policies just because you don't like them or think they are pointless. Well, you can but you'll probably end up failed or fired sooner or later, whether it's medicine or nursing or any other medical profession.
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