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Please Nursing, Stop Trying So Hard! - page 2

As I come to being 3 months away from graduating my BScN, I have reflected on the evolution of my perspective of nursing over these 4 years. Initially, it started off quite negatively. I even posted... Read More

  1. Visit  veggie530 profile page
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    Quote from jbluehorseh
    We are nurses and not doctors so the whole nursing diagnosis is a bunch B.S...I have seen enough nursing forums in this web site about topic to last me a life time. Plus Nursing Diagnosis is not the language nurses use to talk todoctors, so why bother to learn it.
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  2. Visit  dirtyhippiegirl profile page
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    Quote from veggie530
    You can't add ancillary requirements that do not exist like "your own patient load" to being a nurse (who said nurses have to be on the floor?) to try to discredit something you disagree with. That issue aside, the observations made do not need a license behind them to be shared, evaluated, agreed or disagreed with. There are people with licenses, both more or less educated and more or less experienced than you, that agree with him and disagree with him. Yeah?

    Whatever perspective you're trying to advance, veiled insults and sarcasm aren't helping.
    I think wooh has a valid point in that the OP only ever *was* a nursing student; and nursing school provides a very narrow, very skewed version of what real life nursing is like. Which is certainly to be expected. Academia has a need for self-preservation, so it necessarily harps on topics like nursing autonomy and professionalism, which often goes hand-in-hand with needing more education; and what else would academia be if it weren't for research? (Although, even in nursing, qualitative studies have never been the gold standard.)

    I've only been out of school for a little over a year, so the memories of sitting through classes and wondering "why is nursing so desperate to prove something?" are still relatively fresh. And, yes, you may end up in a real world setting like mine where nurses have endless CEU meetings, unit meetings, and committees on everything from falls to CAUTIs to VAPs -- but such things are not the be-all, end-all like they are in nursing school.

    The OP makes several valid points, but it's obvious that he's lacking any real world nursing context.
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  3. Visit  alwayslookingnp profile page
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    Quote from RiverNurse
    Just my own musings here after an amazing spin class...

    I am glad to read your post. For change to happen, especially in nursing, conversations like this must be brought to the table. I've seen enough in nursing to know that change does need to happen. Here is why: Nurses have been bullied by physicians in the past (have you ever seen a surgeon throw a scalpel at a nurse? I have.), we have also been bullied by family members/friends (a friend of a patient once threatened to shoot me - as he went to pull something out of the bag he had with him... fortunately he was bluffing), I have been urinated on... kicked, and have had my hand nearly broken (now I have arthritis in two of my fingers due to the injury - and - I'm not even fifty years old yet! For the injuries and threats I sustained? If they were outside of the workplace, I could have easily pressed charges. However, because they happened at work, there were no repercussions. So, yes, change needs to happen.

    There was a time, not so long ago that I considered leaving. I'm glad I stayed.
    I am happy to read this post as well and I am not offended at all. I have been in nursing most of my adult life- that means a long time. I can remember being taught not to wear gloves while giving an enema because it makes the patient feel dirty (haha.) I have seen Drs throw things at nurses also and have seen the nurse having to apologize for making the Dr so mad (or get fired.) Evidence based medicine is not just a buzz word that doesn't mean anything. It is the way to practice and many many nurses refuse to embrace it. Why you do something shouldn't be because you were taught that way or because it is hospital policy. Every nurse who thinks they are a professional (and they all should) should know how to find evidence for their practice decisions. I have taught many classes on advanced nursing and can hardly get people to participate. First thing they ask is "Is this required?'

    Let's not be offended by this article. Let us thoughtfully read it and be inspired to bring nursing up to the next level. If someone tells you you have a tail you can laugh at them but if enough people telll you- you need to get a full length mirror.

    Does anyone knoe what a PICO question is? (It is THE way research is done.) Has anyone heard of the Institute of Medicine report about the Future of Nursing (published in 2010?)Medicine (AMA) had a response the next day- most nurses I have spoken to have never heard of it.How about the Robert Woods Johnson recommendations for the future of nursing? Please be informed- not just opinionated.

    And River Nurse- I'm so happy you stayed. We need you and nurses like you.
    Last edit by TheCommuter on Sep 13, '12 : Reason: quotation blocks
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  4. Visit  Szasz_is_Right profile page
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    Quote from neverbethesame
    I have found that it is the nurses who have never worked in another field and became nurses very young that are obsessed with this.
    UNLESS they started back in the day when nursing was actually about being a nurse and not what it has devolved into now. Other than this, I agree with your points.
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  5. Visit  jbluehorseh profile page
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    Veggie530
    "We are nurses and not doctors so the whole nursing diagnosis is a bunch B.S...I have seen enough nursing forums in this web site about topic to last me a life time. Plus Nursing Diagnosis is not the language nurses use to talk todoctors, so why bother to learn it. "

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    thats just funnny
    Last edit by jbluehorseh on Sep 13, '12
  6. Visit  jbluehorseh profile page
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    There needs to be level of respect in nursing; in school, at work, doctors to nurses,nurse to doctors and lastly nurse to nurse. I find this is lacking these days .As I said before there no need to belittle or degrade anyone. It does not makeone a better student nor a better nurse. I have been degraded by some of my instructors and my charge nurse ( this is how she treated all male nurses). It did not make me better just angry. I think that OP trying to make the point not make our profession more than it is, in trying to do so I think it hurts us more. We are nurses. We are there to help save lives make a difference. I am proud to call myself nurse.
  7. Visit  NHGN profile page
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    What was your reason for writing and posting this article? Where you looking for commiseration? Just venting? Hoping to change the world of nursing via a lot of griping towards an extremely small slice of specific staff nurses, nurse educators, and nursing researchers? Why even bother, since you've switched professions?

    I agree that my nursing professors were pretty much all that you described. But that just made me want to be their opposite, and I'd love to be an educator just to prove to myself that professors can be kind and helpful people.

    Like another poster said, an article with suggestions might go farther. However, I don't think you're qualified to give suggestions because your experience is extremely limited. Should you return to nursing, for some reason, you may fit in with your peers and interdisc teams by keeping your opinions a little more to yourself until you're a more established nurse -- and that IS a suggestion.
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  8. Visit  NurseDirtyBird profile page
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    Nursing in academia IS ridiculous. But nursing in the real world is nothing like what you read about in textbooks. I do wish there was more focus on the science of nursing and evidence-based practice in school.
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    YIKES!
  10. Visit  MattyIrie profile page
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    I've had these thoughts a lot during nursing school and as I further immerse myself in healthcare through tech work and running the streets as an EMT I just don't give a ****. I am here to help patients. Whatever ******** I have to wade through for a little coin while I do it is fine by me. Just do your thing brutha and don't waste your time ******** about the sky being blue. There is enough of that in nursing school to begin with...
    Last edit by TheCommuter on Sep 13, '12 : Reason: profanity
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  11. Visit  Twiggi profile page
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    I have a very difficult time understanding what you're getting at. You seem to be condemning the attitudes of nurses in a profession, nursing research and etc.. Yet you are bouncing all over the place with your different ideas, and then you are dragging your own personal problems into the mix of things. Because of this, it is very difficult to take this seriously when the tone of your writing is spitting contempt for nursing as a profession. It really takes away from the points you are trying to make in your article, and you are better off to try to keep bias and personal feelings out of your writing tone if you really do care to have your remarks perceived as constructive criticism. You are already aware of this as a student.

    From a personal perspective, it appears that nursing did not work out for you. Everyone is different and it doesn't make you any less of a person for not enjoying nursing. Everyone has their own different paths in life. However, I feel that you are trying to justify your decision about leaving nursing by condemning the profession in this "article". I don't think its appropriate, and it would be a lot simpler to say nursing is not for you.

    There will always be issues with every profession, but the wide-net of issues that were listed are not necessarily relevant to daily nursing practice. Which also points out the most important part of this. You are not a nurse, and neither am I. Nurses who have written the exam and practice go to work every day with large patient loads, they work to get the job done. Their priorities are a lot different than yours as a student. Remember that.
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  12. Visit  Esme12 profile page
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    Quote from steven007
    I want to be a nurse because I want to help people and society.
    I don't like how nursing makes it seem like it's the best and only profession in the world.

    This whole thing is MY PERSPECTIVE based on my nursing education.
    And I am not against feminism and having equal rights, but you give a teenager his first credit card and he goes nuts. I feel like the scholars of nursing are letting letting the new found authority nurses have go to their heads and completely act counter-intuitively to the profession.

    I really get annoyed why people question why I want to go into nursing. The truth is, I don't. And I am leaving, hence why I took calculus, biochemistry, molecular biology and genetics as electives. I have been accepted to a masters in pharmaceutical chemistry which I plan on doing. But the fact is, I have nursed in my rotations and I have been a good nurse in my opinion. I have been praised by instructors and patients. Just because I have a view that isn't similar to yours of the nursing profession, doesn't make me less of a nurse. You just prove how arrogant and closed minded nurses can be by assuming that my opinion is clearly wrong and that I am a person who is arrogant themselves. Which, I am. I am confident in my abilities because I have worked so hard to do well in school and to prove to people that I am capable despite adversity. And you seem to ignore the fact that the nursing professors have acted less than professional and have sort of proved my point by acting in a self-indulging, superior manner.

    I accept criticism, but when you can actually argue what I am saying based on facts. You basically just take what I said and add a sarcastic tone to it, to make it seem childish; which in fact makes you look childish as all you can do is restate what I said and be sarcastic about it.
    OP I am sorry you have had such a negative experience with nursing. I have been a nurse for 34 years and it has been the last few that I have experienced some of the bullying behavior and lateral violence that you speak of.......but it that behavior so new?

    There were bullies when I was in school....elementary, middle and high school. In college there were those Frat's and sororities that were nothing more than popularity clubs. I remember that feeling of relief when I graduated nursing and got a real job and all that petty, catty behavior would end......and it did, for a while. I remember the first time I was asked about what memberships to professional organizations I held and what subscriptions I subscribed to as a part of a job interview.....I had to pick my jaw up off the floor.

    Yes nursing has changed and only time will tell if it is for the better....I wish you the best on your journey.
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    Quote from steven007
    I want to be a nurse because I want to help people and society.
    I don't like how nursing makes it seem like it's the best and only profession in the world.

    This whole thing is MY PERSPECTIVE based on my nursing education.
    And I am not against feminism and having equal rights, but you give a teenager his first credit card and he goes nuts. I feel like the scholars of nursing are letting letting the new found authority nurses have go to their heads and completely act counter-intuitively to the profession.

    I really get annoyed why people question why I want to go into nursing. The truth is, I don't. And I am leaving, hence why I took calculus, biochemistry, molecular biology and genetics as electives. I have been accepted to a masters in pharmaceutical chemistry which I plan on doing. But the fact is, I have nursed in my rotations and I have been a good nurse in my opinion. I have been praised by instructors and patients. Just because I have a view that isn't similar to yours of the nursing profession, doesn't make me less of a nurse. You just prove how arrogant and closed minded nurses can be by assuming that my opinion is clearly wrong and that I am a person who is arrogant themselves. Which, I am. I am confident in my abilities because I have worked so hard to do well in school and to prove to people that I am capable despite adversity. And you seem to ignore the fact that the nursing professors have acted less than professional and have sort of proved my point by acting in a self-indulging, superior manner.

    I accept criticism, but when you can actually argue what I am saying based on facts. You basically just take what I said and add a sarcastic tone to it, to make it seem childish; which in fact makes you look childish as all you can do is restate what I said and be sarcastic about it.
    You want to be a nurse so you can help people, but you don't want to go into nursing?

    You aren't a good nurse. You aren't even a nurse. You have not graduated from an accredited school of nursing, passed the licensing exam or been employed as a nurse. IF you actually were a nurse, your opinion might have some weight. But you aren't. Interestingly enough, and proving a point I've often made, despite the fact that you AREN'T a nurse, you proclaim yourself to be a GOOD nurse.

    As for your nursing professors and their behavior -- we have only your side of the story, and given your attitude, I'm not condemning anyone based on your opinion. We cannot argue with your opinion of your nursing professors based on facts because there aren't any in evidence. What IS in evidence is that you're an arrogant and angry person.
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