Is it just me?

This post reminds me of me 10years ago. My first job when i got out was in IT and I made my secretary cry over something petty. In the military there was only one way to handle things(YELL).
One thing that has helped me is to learn the difference between empathy and sympathy. Imo young people in nursing are too emotional and not empathic enough.

I too don't usually read the male forum, but I have to say that as a former enlisted member (who plans on applying to the Navy Nurse Corps program as soon as I get my acceptance letter), whose brothers both retired enlisted and whose father gave 30 years of his life as a hospital corpsman - I TOOK SERIOUS offense to the poster who made the comment I believe you're referencing.

I could care less what the two oaths say. I would love to see a lieutenant attempt to disobey a lawful order given by a four-star admiral. I'm thinking it wouldn't happen. So officers like that need to get off of their high horses and realize we all have to obey - we all obey the commander in chief, regardless of what we may think of him, and we ALL obey the officers appointed over us. It just happened I had to also obey the lawful orders of the enlisteds who outranked me.

Show me a lieutenant who tells a four star with a lawful order where to get off and I'll show you someone getting ripped in that admiral's office and signing a letter of admonishment!

Nice catch, antihippie!

I doubt it's just you. What I do know is that my program is very much not like that. I am in an ADN program and in my second semester and there is zero tolerance for silliness, weak stomachs, outside obligations, or anything else that would land on an instructor's bullsh* list. You either prepared or you didn't, and the one thing they stick to more than anything is attendance. Miss 2 clinical days in 5 semesters and you are out, regardless of anything else that may be going on. The thing I can't adjust to is the way we have to be so organized and together and they are all over the place and cean't decide on ANYTHING. We were checking off in physical assessment last semester and the instructor doing mine counted me wrong and nearly failed me because our book states that the apical pulse is at the 4th ICS and that's where I placed my stethoscope. She insisted it was the 6th, 3 other instructors consulted said it was the 5th. The final decision was, below the nipple and before the end of the 6th ICS. So on the test, what was the right answer? what was in the book. I Mean, have a staff meeting and make up your mind. Communicate with one another once in a while. LOL

Still loving the program though. At least it's never boring.

My school is not like that at ALL, I would throw up if it was and go somewhere else.

carolinapooh - Are you referring to me? I did not post that the military blindly follows orders. However, I did reply to such post. I quoted the Army Officer's Guide, 49th Edition, written by LTC Keith E. Bonn, USA (Ret.), where on page 5 is the enlisted & officer's oath. BTW, the military oath is taken very seriously by most all military members of the armed forces. Let me assure I'm not on any high horse. I have all the admiration in the world for the enlisted folks, the backbone of the military. Plus, as a USMC Vet [enlisted, active duty 1980-1988] I'm well aware of the importance of following orders, as well as following the chain-of-command.

Furthermore, as a junior company grade officer I certainly don't go around "telling a four star with a lawful order where to get off", nor would I act such a way with any field grade officer. How you got such an idea that I would from my previous post is beyond me?

My previous post, which you seemed to take offense to, you completely misunderstood. My post was in reply to the person that posted the military blindly follows orders. I never said that officers can randomly pick & choose the orders they wish to obey. Military regulations, orders, doctrine, etc., are almost always right, yet impossible to construct any code of law whose logic or good sense will not at some point require a variance. So, that's where officers are expected to exercise sound judgment, which sometimes ... but rarely requires an officer to not obey those instructions, regulations, or orders that are not in the best interest of the Army [or, applicable military branch] at that moment. Plus, this moral dispensation must never be used for personal gain or other corrupt gains.

In my +11 years of military service [8 enlisted & 3 officer] I've never disobeyed a lawful order. If, the need ever arises for me to exercise sound, careful judgment [as an officer] on the side against a lawful order detrimental to the Army at a particular moment, then as an officer [by oath] it would be my responsibility to side on which is in the best interest of the Army at that moment.

I hope after reading this you will realize I'm very pro my Commander-in-Chief, very pro following the CoC, and very pro military. I do thank you for your prior military service, as well as wish you much success in your upcoming Navy Nurse Corps career.

I've noticed psych nursing actually talks about professional boundaries, otherwise nursing seems to have some wide open potential nurse to patient interactions.

I spent 4 years in the navy and I guarantee NO ONE EVER asked my master chief petty officer "why" a second time!

I was not stationed in a medical unit. Perhaps they are different. I was at a dive command. We did salvage and recovery. There were Navy SEALS and EOD(explosive ordinance disposal) and support crews. Lives depended on strict adherence to orders. That's just the way it was. I had friends on destroyers and in the Marine Corps and they lived similar experiences. You question orders at your own peril.