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No. 10
from ItsTheDude
Old Sep 03, 2009, 06:40 PM

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i do this at a pt gig i have. the nurse (female, she basically runs the place) that trained me says it to everyone, she's been a nurse 40+ yrs. it all started by accident, i had never said it b4, b/c i figured it would be improper b/c i was a male, but after hearing her and others (female) there say it all the time it slipped a few times and i had neutral or positive feedback from patients, so i figured go with it. however, i've had some rare patients that don't like it at all, so they've gone to the old mule (stubborn) nurse that trained me and she basically tells them the only reason they have a problem with it is b/c i'm a male. she tells them that's what she and others there always say (or some varient) and will continue to say (she's given some of these folks shots b4 with no prob), so she's not going to make me stop b/c i'm a male and that she probably couldn't do so legally anyways. the issue is usually smoothed over right there. of course, some then take their complaint to one of the docs, but nothing changes.
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No. 11
from sirI
Old Sep 03, 2009, 06:43 PM

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Respectfully, if you continue to use this during your patient care, you can honestly say that you've been given good advice here.

Please sincerely think about this if you decide to continue with this practice.
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No. 12
from sharpeimom
Old Sep 03, 2009, 07:16 PM

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I would find this approach totally inappropriate and offensive, no matter what my age happened to be and would promptly file a complaint against the offender for sexually offensive language. And YES I have a well developed sense of humor and no I didn't know Miss Nightingale personally. I'm not quite that old yet.


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No. 13
Old Sep 03, 2009, 07:50 PM

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Contrary to the beliefs of some, the workplace is not a singles' bar.

This behavior isn't cute. It's inappropriate, and it's probably illegal.

Time to grow up.
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No. 14
from nursenow
Old Sep 03, 2009, 09:56 PM

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Dude, do yourself a favor and stop saying that. It is only a matter of time before it bites you in the ass. It's not cute.
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No. 15
from hiddencat
Old Sep 08, 2009, 02:27 PM

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Wow. That would make me so uncomfortable. The fact that your fellow nurses think it's fine for you to say doesn't change that, and you and the nurse who dismisses the "rare" patients' concern are *both* going to be in a lot of trouble when you get an offended patient who won't be brushed off.

I have a hard time believing that no one these patients have talked to cares about potential sexual harassment lawsuits. A really hard time.

Let me ask you this- even if it truly is only a minority of the patients you say this to that feel uncomfortable, is the fact that other people think it's funny sufficient justification to make some of your patients uncomfortable? Are the patients with a "good sense of humor" somehow entitled to better care from you?

Let me share a story with you. When DH was in paramedic school, one of his classmates told a woman in labor who was having trouble swallowing a pill that if she knew how to swallow she wouldn't be in that position. He was pulled off the floor immediately and dismissed from the program.

Drop the line. You're a nurse, not a comedian.
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No. 16
from ItsTheDude
Old Sep 12, 2009, 03:19 PM

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well, i talked to the senior nurse's husband the other day, he's a lawyer. he basically said, there isn't much legally the employer or the state can do, given the situation. females there are allowed to say it and do say it , that's where i picked it up. i guess a male could be offended by it if a female nurse said it to them, but it's never been an issue with the females there saying it to anyone.

he did say the employer is n the best position to stop it and probably should from a business prospective (keep customers/patients happy), if they wanted to, but the employer would have to stop/enforce it in a gender neutral bases. he said the state might be able to stop it if they had a gender neutral policy in place and it was enforced in a gender neutral manner, but it would be subject to constitutional constraints, which the employer isn't subject to.

as for patient's that might be offended, he couldn't think of a legal theory they could successfully win with either. sexual harassment laws generally apply to the employer-employee relationship, not the employee-customer/patient relationship.
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No. 17
from elkpark
Old Sep 12, 2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ItsTheDude View Post
well, i talked to the senior nurse's husband the other day, he's a lawyer. he basically said, there isn't much legally the employer or the state can do, given the situation. females there are allowed to say it and do say it , that's where i picked it up. i guess a male could be offended by it if a female nurse said it to them, but it's never been an issue with the females there saying it to anyone.

he did say the employer is n the best position to stop it and probably should from a business prospective (keep customers/patients happy), if they wanted to, but the employer would have to stop/enforce it in a gender neutral bases. he said the state might be able to stop it if they had a gender neutral policy in place and it was enforced in a gender neutral manner, but it would be subject to constitutional constraints, which the employer isn't subject to.

as for patient's that might be offended, he couldn't think of a legal theory they could successfully win with either. sexual harassment laws generally apply to the employer-employee relationship, not the employee-customer/patient relationship.
Are you actually saying that the fact that you probably can't be fired or sued for making this type of comment makes it okay? It doesn't matter to you that "the line" is likely to offend or discomfit a good proportion of your female clients? Is this the degree of judgment and empathy you exercise in every aspect of your nursing practice, or is this some kind of isolated "blind spot"?
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No. 18
from hiddencat
Old Sep 12, 2009, 04:28 PM

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At least you've clarified that you care about the potential consequences for yourself, rather than the comfort of your patients.

You've gone from "fun line to break the ice" to "only a few people get offended so it's no big deal" to "my actions are not illegal." Retreating to the lower standard of legality suggests that on some level you are aware that what you are saying is inappropriate.
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No. 19
from nursenow
Old Sep 12, 2009, 04:43 PM

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If it is no big deal, I think you should tell your office about your line. For that matter I dare you to do it and then post the results on this thread. Really, i dare you.
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