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This is a discussion on long....looking for aaa information...substantiated neglect in LTC: Directors Nursing / Assistant (DON/ADON), part of Nursing Specialties ... Hi, Looking for someone who has had a similar experience as my state's local aaa office nor the...by pnurse68 Jan 22, '12Hi, Looking for someone who has had a similar experience as my state's local aaa office nor the main office can help. I am the DON of a facility that reports absolutely everything that could even remotely be construed as abuse: the demented lady that state "the father of the would be child slipped in the the night with his friend and 12 men raped her", I mean EVERYTHING. My thought process is that I would rather report and withdraw than not report and get tagged.
Recently while I was on vacation, a resident fell and sustained a hematoma. She is a long term resident with no fall history, no attempts at self transfer in the 9 months shes been with us, alert and oriented, transfers and ambulates with contact guard/supervison.
Nurse aide assisted to bathroom and left her to do her thing. By history she has always used the call bell when she was done. This time she leaned over to adjust her O2 tubing and fell. Minor injury, hospital eval and back in 3 hours.
I instructed the ADON via phone to report. DOH questioned if the the facility had followed the plan of care or was neglect suspected. I instructed the ADON to state plan of care was followed and no neglect or PB 22 needed. They accepted the report.
ADON also reported to Area Agency on Aging. They investigated and wanted to substantiate abuse against the nurse aide for not staying in the bathroom with the resident. I stood behind the nurse aide stating, he would not have needed to stay in the bathroom with the resident as that is not her plan of care.
She ended up not tagging the nurse aide. She substantiated neglect against ME as the DON, for not educating staff to stay with the resident. I am appealing and the road blocks are considerable, no one can even tell me who this is reported to, how it impacts my license nothing!
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- Jan 24, '12 by CapeCodMermaidWe don"t have an AAA in Massachusetts. Everything here gets reported to the Department of Public Health. I've not heard of the DON getting cited for something like this. I, too, report everything. I had one woman fall 4 times with a trip to the hospital each time. Alert, oriented and demanded to have privacy in the bathroom. DPH didn't even come out to investigate.There has to be a process to follow to appeal an unfair tag. Can you call the AAA and ask them? They would have to tell you. I'd start by making a copy of the care plan and any PT notes and falls risk assessment. I'd repeat to them what you said here...that she's been with you for 9 months and never attempted to self transfer. How can they tag you for your CNA following the plan of care? Please let me know how you make out. PM me if you want.
Have you tried speaking to your ombudsman?Last edit by CapeCodMermaid on Jan 24, '12 : Reason: more to say
- Jan 24, '12 by Nascar nurseYikes! That's awful and very unfair. Also scary as hell. I've never heard of a DON being directly cited for something like this. I have no advice but will be very interested to hear how this turns out for you. Best of luck.
- Jan 24, '12 by CathRNI don't where you are located, but in Texas, on each and every tag, when you receive your 2567, there should be a letter explaining the IDR (Informal Dispute Resolution) process. You always have the right to IDR anything. I hope this helps.
- Jan 25, '12 by pnurse68That is the interesting part DOH did not tag anything. Just area agency on aging. I am filing appeal but have been denied access to the investigation despite the Right to Know Law. Will be talking to legal counsel today and will keep you all updated. Thanks for the support.
- Jan 25, '12 by pnurse68ccm.....Thanks for the invite to PM...however I am still too new of a user to have that function enabled. Guess I will need to come up with more post topicsSpoke with legal today, a thankfully I work for a very supportive company that is willing to stand behind me. I have yet to speak to anyone who has seen this before. Kinda gives new meaning to the whole "your working under my license" line. Sometimes I wonder why anyof us give up the joys of floor nursing, heck even shift supervisor for this!
- Jan 25, '12 by Nascar nursepnurse68. just keep posting right on here. Make one right after another - I think you need 15? posts to get private messages. CCM gives great advice so you will want to see what she has to say.
My fingers are crossed that you win this battle.
- Jan 26, '12 by CapeCodMermaidNascar nurse is no slouch either when it comes to great advice!
- Feb 3, '12 by ltclovnrnohhh how awful! that is so scary. it scares me a lot having so many LPN's and CNA's working under me. everyone is so quick to say that in ltc every nurse is the same, whether lpn or rn... but i've learned that if there is any way for someone to save their own butt, they'll throw you under the bus. i HATE that about nursing. people are sooo triffling!
- Feb 4, '12 by debRN0417The area on aging in my "area" would have referred this to us and we would have investigated...I have never heard of them "citing" like that, but I guess its because its a different state??? We receive all kinds of F.Y.I's as we call them, from the ombudsman and adult protective services and we look at them on surveys but they are usually unsubstantiated little things.... If you were following the care plan then what is the neglect issue? Forgive me, I know we all agree on that I am just confused. I am not understanding this agency's authority to specifically cite a person or facility. In my state we are the ones with the enforcement authority and anything like that would have been referred to us for further investigation if they thought there was a problem.....I would appreciate any information that would enlighten me.