as DON/ADON ....do you help or hinder your staff? as DON/ADON ....do you help or hinder your staff? | allnurses

as DON/ADON ....do you help or hinder your staff?

  1. 1 I am an LPN in LTC. We got a new DON from out of state 2 yrs ago...who has since made tons of changes that originated from her home state. when she makes a change she says the same thing all the time "Its per corporate"....which half the time is bull. She made up an attendance policy that she herself doesnt adhere to or follow. She is an intelligent nurse...but she has this "i dont care" attitude about staff and residents. she takes it upon herself to cancel residents appointments if she thinks they dont need them....she changes meds and diets if she thinks they arent right. She never helps us with admissions or paperwork or with short staffing issues. She doesnt explain new things...she leaves notes and tells us to sign it. She has made families think that us other nurses are incompetent and that we dont know what we are talking about or doing....not good. She doesnt deal with staff issues such as : constant chronic call ins (its usually the same ones who call in or dont show at all...all the time and still have a job), the lack of teamwork in some nurses and cnas as well....the poor training that new nurses and aides get including sloppy orientation, she tells the day charge nurse to "get out of here" all the time and tells her to pass on her 4 to 5 hours of leftover orders, labs and consults to me (i do charge on 2nd...but i run a cart, tx's, charting, assessments etc) and i dont have time to dotheir work plus mine. The day nurse always gives it to me instead of splitting it...i think that if its going to be passed on...pass on whatever you have to the nurse in charge of that particular pt instead of me all the time. if we end up short on a shift..she or the adon dont help us...they tell us we have to stay over and expect us to be back the next day....the call ins never even get a word said to them...i had to fill out 5 med errors in one night d/t not having meds for 5 diff pts....the pharmacy didnt send them til after 3rd shift was there......she came to me and told me that they were just misplaced...i know they werent there..i checked 4 x before i ever filed a med error sheet on them....what she did was use that as a way to get out of reporting that to corporate in her wkly reports and not only was it a falsification....but it made me look like i overlooked something that absolutely wasnt there....my ? is this..as don / adon...how would you deal with each of these scenarios? do you help your nurses? or leave them hanging?
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  3. Visit  barefootlady profile page
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    Most DON's/ADON's I have had contact with are a waste of time when it comes to support for staff. They paste a fake smile on their face, listen to half truths, and then do what ever is easy for them, not the facility, not the resident, nor the staff. Lord, LTC is the pits.
  4. Visit  CapeCodMermaid profile page
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    I am a DNS. Have been an ADNS, supervisor,SDC,nurse manager,staff nurse, and nurse's aid. We are not all evil ,uncaring people. If we are short staffed I help the aides. If there are multiple admissions, I do the orders so the nurses can concentrate on the new patient. I argue with corporate over salaries, benefits, and staffing. YOU get paid for all of your time. I am salaried which means when I am there on a Friday night helping with admissions I'm not getting paid for that. Please don't paint us all with the same brush.
    I can't explain why some directors are the way they are. I've had every job there is to have so I know what you all are going through. But,unless you've been a DNS, you probably don't have a clue what MY responsibilities are...to the staff, the DPH, corporate and on and on.
  5. Visit  Char9maine profile page
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    I am a DON and I want to say what a Witch!!! She should be helping out and educating if thats it. Shame your administrator hasn't seen through that one
  6. Visit  barefootlady profile page
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    We had a terrible winter, several times the roads were closed, staff stuck. Not one time did the DON say "thanks for the effort", or come in when she could get there and help out. Work short of staff every shift, too many things to etell. Just hate it.
  7. Visit  achot chavi profile page
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    I am sorry that your DON seems unappreciative of your super human efforts to do a good job, but in truth as long as your pay checks are on time and of the correct amounts that is all the compensation you need. I know people whose paychecks are late etc,

    Of course it is always appropriate to show appreciation to staff for the extra effort during difficult times and I am sorry that your DON missed that opportunity. Some people view showing appreciation as a sign of weakness, they dont know what they are missing.
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  8. Visit  barefootlady profile page
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    No, paychecks are not right, have to watch every shift is actually clocked in on clock. Was shorted 24 hours, they wanted me to wait for pay until next pay period, I told them I had bills, I had done the work, and I wanted the pay in an hour. I no longer work there, the problems are still overwhelming, this DON has lost some good staff.
    But, LTC has a history of being a mess.
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  9. Visit  achot chavi profile page
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    Quote from barefootlady
    No, paychecks are not right, have to watch every shift is actually clocked in on clock. Was shorted 24 hours, they wanted me to wait for pay until next pay period, I told them I had bills, I had done the work, and I wanted the pay in an hour. I no longer work there, the problems are still overwhelming, this DON has lost some good staff.
    But, LTC has a history of being a mess.
    Good for u, obviously not the kind of place you want to work at!!
  10. Visit  CapeCodMermaid profile page
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    I have worked in LTC for most of my long career and am sick to death of people saying "LTC has historically been a mess." The facilities I have worked in have been clean, no smells, conscientious staff, wonderful care, great rehab, plenty of supplies. Please don't keep making broad generalizations about LTC. It's bad enough that most people out there think we do nothing all day...we shouldn't have to keep hearing it from people who work in the business. And about your paycheck...have YOU never made a mistake? Why do you act like the payroll people made the error to aggrevate you or cheat you?
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  11. Visit  achot chavi profile page
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    Quote from CapeCodMermaid
    I have worked in LTC for most of my long career and am sick to death of people saying "LTC has historically been a mess." The facilities I have worked in have been clean, no smells, conscientious staff, wonderful care, great rehab, plenty of supplies. Please don't keep making broad generalizations about LTC. It's bad enough that most people out there think we do nothing all day...we shouldn't have to keep hearing it from people who work in the business. And about your paycheck...have YOU never made a mistake? Why do you act like the payroll people made the error to aggrevate you or cheat you?
    I am glad that you have had only good experiences, and maybe its people like you who give LTC a good name but unfortunately there are some poorly run facilities out there - less than there used to be since the inspections have improved (as much as we complain, its thanks to the inspections that things have improved). The truth is historically many (not all) facilities took advantage of their patients and provided poor care thereby necessitating state inspections.

    Re the paycheck- its one thing to make one mistake once in a while, but habitually- something is rotten- you have obviously not worked in such a facility. There are facilities that will cheat you- and you have to go over your paycheck with a fine tooth comb.
    The best answer to those kinds of jokers is to vote with your feet and find a better run place (like yours).
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  12. Visit  kids profile page
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    I think there are 2 or 3 sides to every story and the view from the floor can be very different.
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  13. Visit  sasha2lady profile page
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    well.. first off....Im not nor have i downed every DON/ADON...I simply stated how the one I work for is ....compared to the other ones we have had in the past....this one seems to take the cake. And regardless of our extreme differences....I do know alot more about what SHE does than she knows about what I do.....I know about the corporate meetings...the corporate calls that are done daily and weekly, I know about the RUG scores and how our facility makes money with medicaid, medicare and pvt insurances, I know about how we get billed for certain meds that come up short, I know about our staffing issues and the lack of attention to what our policy says should be done with that....I know about how the DON has to account for staff to patient ratios related to our census reports every 24 hours.....Im not oblivious to the fact that she is salaried and I am not (which IM glad of!) but salary or hourly pay...it shouldnt make a difference in whether or not management helps us when we need it. Ive worked tons of double shifts due to the fact that she didnt listen to me when I told her "xyz nurse wont come in tonight..what are you going to do about it? you need to go ahead and call so and so to see if it can be covered before they make plans".....not one time has she ever listened to me on these kinds of issues....thus...me and my shift gets stuck picking up the slack...for nights and for day shifts. we have had good DONs who have been so good to us .....thats why her tactics are so hard to deal with. And as for the administrator..he just does whatever she tells him to do.....there is poor poor poor communication that starts with all our management staff. Then...the fallout of that always comes down on us....the nurses who are stuck dealing with the new admits....the new families ....the new meds...the pharmacy...therapy...all of it. And in a prior reply talking about the pay....as far as that goes it just further proves my point ....its always about MONEY....and I also know that our DON and administrator get quarterly BONUSES for keeping us under budget.....and how that happens is 1. cutting our nursing hours 2. cutting our supplies 3. cutting our staff 4. cutting our yearly raises 5. cutting our benefits etc etc.....I cant tell ya how many times I havent had GLUCOMETER STRIPS!!!! ...or batteries, or OTC meds like IMMODIUM, OSCAL, TYLENOL, MOTRIN, COLACE, FISH OIL, or how about when we are out of cath kits? gauze pads and gauze rolls for our dressings and tx's???? our backup runs out of vicodins, ativans and darvocets b/c the DON hasnt reordered them ? or how about how we end up with no med cups or spoons or applesauce for our meds? Or when we run out of trash bags? gloves? cups for ice? Maybe Im old fashioned or somethign but the way I see it is that regardless of title...DON ADON MDS..whatever....RN is still behind that persons name which should mean they hold some kind of obligation to the patients and the staff to make sure that things are in order.....Without the patients...there would be NO paychecks to any of us. I know personally that I am more than grateful for any help I get with an admission or whatever.....but I have to draw the line somewhere. The DON even tells the aides not to change the incontinent ones as often b/c we "are going through the briefs too fast"......ummm......are you kidding me?????? ...She has also told us nurses not to give any prn pain meds or prn ativans. She has also cancelled important appointments for our patients b/c she felt that they didnt need them.....I think thats a little too much like playing God. And as for my own personal paycheck...I work nonstop for every last cent thats on it.
  14. Visit  rapkeygurl profile page
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    you know there is good and bad with LTC, when the residents say I am so glad your on today. It is not all a bed of roses. I have worked on both sides, nurse aide, then LVN, working currently on my RN, I teach the nurse aide class and do mds's/careplans with minimal help from IDT people. Our facility usually does not smell bad. We got a gal in the kitchen that can make a mean plate of enchiladas for $3.00 can beat MCDonald's anyday. I have seen good and bad adon's and good and bad DON's, I have a Don that is a bit on the lazy side, smoke breaks probably more than being actually inside the building. What I started doing is taking her to trainings with me putting out nice notes when I see her follow up on things. I know in a perfect world would not have to do this. But god forbid the last DON come back --- Telling all the family members that medicare pays the whole 100 days period lol. Yes good to vent about it. Yes you probably need more training but do you know her duties?? Has she been trained to train you?? Our RN consultant was stuck at a sister home with an IJ for a month before my boss was even shown our systems. Have to always look at the total picture. I really dont think most nurses get into the job just for a paycheck. The education part is the key. Like getting out there and turning folks to show them how to do it, proper body alignment. Show them how to make rounds, what to look for, teach them time management skills and encourage LESS TEXTING while on duty-- (drives me insane) I have worked in some big cities nursing homes an been afraid of the staff I worked with back when I was a young nurse, so I learned, "ok girls come on I will check these 3 rooms for you if you go get that light over there, then we will go turn them all together" I sure dont have all the answers but seems like more teamwork and less worrying about all the things the management or nurse is doing wrong would help a little. I teach my nurse aides when they come to work you dont have to like each other but while your in the building you have to work for the good of the resident. and some of that stuff like not getting your paycheck correct there are things you can do about that. If your DON is dogging you try to ask for a time to talk about how you can make things better for you and your residents? Conflicts dont get resolved if you dont talk about it. Sometimes if I have been so miserable working with unreasonable Don's, higher up's and could not get a resolution that worked for my own sanity and peace I did change jobs. But I always start a job hoping to stay there at least a year. I feel that is ample time to really see how things are going to be sometimes you have to get out sooner. NOt encouraging any of you to leave LTC-- we need nurses I never was upset with a nurse that came to me and said you know this is just too much I think I am going to work at home health, the hospital etc.. Everyone has a nitch. I want to motivate you to help someone you work with even if just bringing in some candy or fruit or special lotion for everyone to share. Or when they really need to get this guy off to PT but have to fill out meal intakes we go record a couple of intakes or answer a call bell. I am talking about DON's, Adon's Mds people , housekeepers offering to pick up your trash in your office those types of things for us all and you will see good things. We made a board and put thinks like WOW thank you ____ for completing your flow books, Thank you for cleaning out the fridge night shift, etc.. WE give movie tickets on pay day to the ones that are working extra. Kind people rule!!
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