Why Does It Seem That RN's Hate Us and Hospitals Don't Believe In Us?? - page 5

Im a new PN grad and have been a STNA (state tested nurse assistant) for 7 years; but as a graduate it seems that RN's are threatened by PN's or feel that we don't know anything and hospitals dont... Read More

  1. by   pedinurse05
    Quote from pattyzaccy
    I have worked as an LPN at same long term facility for 24 years and all those
    years I have never met an incomptant LPN graduate but new RN graduate!!!
    Some I wonder how they ever got their licsences!! I have talked this over with other nurses I work with and they all agree...I don't know if its the clinical training or if Lpn school is harder. No offense to Rns but this is true!!
    Sorry, but this is not widely true for everyone. I work with a wonderful bunch of RN's...whom I both respect and look to for advice. This is a two way street good LPN's--not so good LPN's, Good RN's not so good RN's...but to entirely label LPN's as "better"...that is but an illusion. RN's have more education..this however should not give them a complex, just as LPN's should not feel insecure. An ideal thought that will unfortunately never happen because there will always be these posts and this RN v LPN stuff. We are all nurses working for the same goal--positive patient outcomes.
  2. by   scorp75
    Nobody hates you. I am a BSN/RN with plenty of experience under my belt. I think what makes us nervous, or me, rather, is that we are in charge of delegated to you, and you are working under our liscense. Hope that helps clear things up for you
  3. by   ProfRN4
    Quote from brown eyed girl
    we as pn's have to learn @least 80% of the material that a student in a adn program learns in 11 months
    [font="lucida sans unicode"]if this is the case, then why do lpns need to go to at least 2, if not 3 semesters of the adn program to become an rn?? (this is the case where i teach, and from what i've heard elsewhere in my vicinity).

    i have absolutely no problem with good lpns, just like i do have a problem with rns who are irresponsible, lazy, lack accountability and are not team players. i haven't worked with that many of the (lpns). in a facility where i used to work as staff (and then supervised) the roles were almost interchangeable. it was skilled/ltc for peds. the major difference was not giving them pts with ivs. why? i don't know, it was their policy (dumb, imo).

    there are good lpns, adns, bsns, msns and phds . and there are bad ones
  4. by   Fiona59
    Quote from scorp75
    Nobody hates you. I am a BSN/RN with plenty of experience under my belt. I think what makes us nervous, or me, rather, is that we are in charge of delegated to you, and you are working under our liscense. Hope that helps clear things up for you
    In the province that I work in, I work under my own license and insurance, not an RN's. My patient, my responsibility, my license on the line.

    I think the difficulties in my area are largely due to the pay differential (roughly $13/hour) between the RN and the LPN. On our specialty units, (ie Maternity, Dialysis) the orientation is the same, the course of instruction the same, the only orientation difference is the meds courses, but then on the Dialysis units the LPNs do their own IV antibiotics, the RN's do the IV push meds and from what co-workers have told me they don't use those skills all that often (RN or LPN).
  5. by   BKRN
    LPN's work under their own liscense.


    Quote from scorp75
    Nobody hates you. I am a BSN/RN with plenty of experience under my belt. I think what makes us nervous, or me, rather, is that we are in charge of delegated to you, and you are working under our liscense. Hope that helps clear things up for you
  6. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    (Here we go again)
  7. by   scorp75
    To bklpn- depending on which state you work in. In NC, LPNs work under the RN's liscense.
  8. by   TheCommuter
    :Crash:
  9. by   BennyFan
    I'm sorry that this is your experience as a new grad. I have been an LPN for 8 years and worked as charge for 140 bed facility and now am part of team nursing at a hospital. The RN's I work with are wonderful, they respect the knowledge and experience I bring to the table. Many LPN programs dont require much science background, they are skill based. I dont know what your program was like, but many here are only requiring highschool biology. Your RN's have taken Micro, Chem, A&P 1-2, Pharm, Patho (if they are BSN). The education level is very different. Be proud of what you have accomplished and can contribute to your team, but realize that there is a big difference between the two. I knew that if I was ever going to go on in my education I needed to get somewhere where the difference between RN & LPN was evident, one month at the hospital and I was back in school! Hang in there.
  10. by   copperhorset
    Hi...I just had to reply to your message. I started out as a Candy Striper a long time ago...and decided to become a nurse. I went to LPN school and I felt the same as you around some (not all RN's). My supervisor's recognized something good in me and encouraged me to go to RN school....which I did 17 years later. My experience with this issue has been this. Yes, some RN's do resent LPN's (only be because they (RN's) are ignorant). Some feel that they are "better" than LPN's because of higher education. Some resent LPN's because the scope of practice has changed a lot throughout the years allowing LPN's to do more in the clinical areas, some of which years ago, only RN's could do. Some of the RN's have forgotten what it was like for them when they first started out... Some are resentful because a lot of the RN's that have been around for a long time see that LPN's these are getting a beter wage than when the RN's first began. These reasons ARE ridiculous. Nurse's do eat their young, it is true. Some RN's like any other professional need an attitude adjustment. Shame on them. Years ago I meet someone from the nursing profession who asked me my occupation. I told her I was a nurse...she then asked me "Are you an RN or are you a nurse." Being an LPN, I took great offense to that, and told informed her very tactfully that I WAS A NURSE, AN LPN AND WAS DARNED PROUD OF IT!" She quietly walked away. I am now an RN, BSN and am an LPN Didactic and Clinical Instructor...and love it. I do NOT allow anyone, especially RN's to harass or pick on my LPN students. The only difference between the two is education. I had no idea once I entered my Bachelor's program, the width and depth of the education was entering...It opened doors and my mind to a more intense understanding of what and why they body and pathophysiology function and what to do about it. Unfortunately some RN's look down on LPN's because of this....It does not make it right. They should be grateful for LPN's as LPN's do a trendous job in our hospitals, clinics et al. In this state we have LPN-C's who are trained to perform some types of IV therapy... This is a wonderful thing for LPN's and everyone they work with. I encouraged my best friend's daughter to enroll in the LPN program which I instruct...and she's doing great, loves it, and is going to become an excellent LPN. Dear, do not let those uncaring ignorant people upset you. Be proud of yourself and who you are...an LPN. Good Luck to you in your career.
  11. by   FroggysMom
    Quote from copperhorset
    Hi...I just had to reply to your message. I started out as a Candy Striper a long time ago...and decided to become a nurse. I went to LPN school and I felt the same as you around some (not all RN's). My supervisor's recognized something good in me and encouraged me to go to RN school....which I did 17 years later. My experience with this issue has been this. Yes, some RN's do resent LPN's (only be because they (RN's) are ignorant). Some feel that they are "better" than LPN's because of higher education. Some resent LPN's because the scope of practice has changed a lot throughout the years allowing LPN's to do more in the clinical areas, some of which years ago, only RN's could do. Some of the RN's have forgotten what it was like for them when they first started out... Some are resentful because a lot of the RN's that have been around for a long time see that LPN's these are getting a beter wage than when the RN's first began. These reasons ARE ridiculous. Nurse's do eat their young, it is true. Some RN's like any other professional need an attitude adjustment. Shame on them. Years ago I meet someone from the nursing profession who asked me my occupation. I told her I was a nurse...she then asked me "Are you an RN or are you a nurse." Being an LPN, I took great offense to that, and told informed her very tactfully that I WAS A NURSE, AN LPN AND WAS DARNED PROUD OF IT!" She quietly walked away. I am now an RN, BSN and am an LPN Didactic and Clinical Instructor...and love it. I do NOT allow anyone, especially RN's to harass or pick on my LPN students. The only difference between the two is education. I had no idea once I entered my Bachelor's program, the width and depth of the education was entering...It opened doors and my mind to a more intense understanding of what and why they body and pathophysiology function and what to do about it. Unfortunately some RN's look down on LPN's because of this....It does not make it right. They should be grateful for LPN's as LPN's do a trendous job in our hospitals, clinics et al. In this state we have LPN-C's who are trained to perform some types of IV therapy... This is a wonderful thing for LPN's and everyone they work with. I encouraged my best friend's daughter to enroll in the LPN program which I instruct...and she's doing great, loves it, and is going to become an excellent LPN. Dear, do not let those uncaring ignorant people upset you. Be proud of yourself and who you are...an LPN. Good Luck to you in your career.

    Thank you.
  12. by   katfishLPN
    I worked with an RN who was the Case Manager in the Home Health office where I worked at the time. She was complaining about an office nurse for one of the doctors we were working with who was an LPN. In front of me and 2 other LPN's she said "I can't stand that nurse she is just an LPN but she has delusions of grandeur and likes to talk like she's an RN" Needless to say my mouth dropped and I had to walk out of the room or I would have probably lost my job. But from then on I knew how much she valued LPN's!:angryfire
  13. by   BKRN
    Yikes, I just moved to NC-I will have to research this. I just submitted my application for endorsement.

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