Why do so many people insist that LPN'S AREN'T REAL NURSES!!?? - page 19

I mean, the title does have "Nurse" in it.So why are so many people insisting that LPN's arent real nurses? When I go to the hospital, I see these people giving medication , care, comfort and other... Read More

  1. by   mytoon38
    I don't know why people do that, and it never ends! I was an L.P.N. for 25 years. I got tired of doing basically the same work as the R.N.'s and getting paid so much less. I went back to school and got my R.N. I have been a R.N. for a little over a year now. I am doing a travel assignment at a hospital now. I did a travel assignment at the same hospital when I was still an L.P.N. I have had people say "Oh, how does it feel to be a NURSE now!" and I say "No different than it did for the last 25 years, the only difference I see is in my pay check!"

    My Mother is 83 years old and even she says "I am glad I lived to see you become a real nurse!" I just want to scream everytime I hear this!:uhoh21: Another bad thing, is I am now looking for a permanent job. So many hospitals give you NO credit for all the years you worked as an L.P.N. For example at the V.A.M.C. I would actually start out making less as a R.N., than I would make as an L.P.N. with 25 years of experience! There have been a few hospitals that have offered to give me 1/2 of my years as an L.P.N. towards my R.N. salary, but most DO NOT. One recruiter asked me about my experience, I was telling her what I had done as an L.P.N. and as a R.N., she then said "IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT AS A R.N., YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT AT ALL!" I was so furious, I just hung up the phone!
  2. by   pagandeva2000
    I'll be a member of the 'boo-boo' team anytime. Also, it is a shame that the years of LPN experience does not count towards your RN salary...I didn't know that.

    The way nursing seems to be at this moment, I don't really want to be a part of the upper crust of the nursing ladder, so to speak.

    It is interesting, because the staff educator came to me yesterday and told me that she has heard wonderful things about me, and that they believe I'll be an asset to Ambulatory Care. Then, she says "When will you be expecting to start RN courses?" and I told her that the thought has NEVER crossed my mind, and that I didn't intend to. She looked at me as if I grew three heads before her very eyes. Then, she says "Well, surely, since you have accumulated those college credits towards your RN, you WILL eventually move on" and I told her not to hold her breath.

    Again, if the need arises that I may want to become an RN, I do have the credits as well as the GPA (except that I need Chemistry). But, I am not interested...period. I must admit that at this point, it makes me really feel good to say to them that "I DO NOT want to be YOU". It drives them crazy!! Too many headaches, from what I see and knowing my personality, putting up with that is not worth my time or effort and if dealing with all of that is necessary to get the money, then, they can shove that, too.

    No disrespect to the RNs that are really dedicated to their patients and to the profession...just not interested.
  3. by   twotrees2
    Quote from pagandeva2000
    I'll be a member of the 'boo-boo' team anytime. Also, it is a shame that the years of LPN experience does not count towards your RN salary...I didn't know that.

    The way nursing seems to be at this moment, I don't really want to be a part of the upper crust of the nursing ladder, so to speak.

    It is interesting, because the staff educator came to me yesterday and told me that she has heard wonderful things about me, and that they believe I'll be an asset to Ambulatory Care. Then, she says "When will you be expecting to start RN courses?" and I told her that the thought has NEVER crossed my mind, and that I didn't intend to. She looked at me as if I grew three heads before her very eyes. Then, she says "Well, surely, since you have accumulated those college credits towards your RN, you WILL eventually move on" and I told her not to hold her breath.

    Again, if the need arises that I may want to become an RN, I do have the credits as well as the GPA (except that I need Chemistry). But, I am not interested...period. I must admit that at this point, it makes me really feel good to say to them that "I DO NOT want to be YOU". It drives them crazy!! Too many headaches, from what I see and knowing my personality, putting up with that is not worth my time or effort and if dealing with all of that is necessary to get the money, then, they can shove that, too.

    No disrespect to the RNs that are really dedicated to their patients and to the profession...just not interested.

    no offense here - wish i could go back and be an LPN lol - but they say i cant do that sooo guess im stuck ( and yes i really did call to see if i could do that trade it for an lpn lol when i was so overwhelmed wth being charge in a dangerouly low staffed and high accident count facility )
  4. by   MFLPN
    This is a wonderful thread! I just read one on indeed.com that was so crude. LPN's and RN's fighting. I am an LPN. I go to Canada quite frequently and the nursing is so different. LPN's are paid much more and work under RN's in a "team nursing" approach in hospitals. Alot of LPN's work in OR. By working together they both are ensuring there need in the medical field. Otherwise they would have to compete with surg techs more and always have to go bck to school to get a bigger degree to keep up. I don't understand why some nurses that are hospital based are so against LPN's in US. Why wouldn't you want someone to deligate to "with YOUR license on the line" have been taught the same field and same theories just not as advanced? Why does it make more sense to run around stressed all day having a huge workload because the people you are deligating to are CNA, MA? Wouldn't it make more sense to be able to give more responsibilities to an uderling nurse that you know is trained in nursing? Also, wouldn't it secure nursing as a profession more so than competing with surg techs, pt's and what ever other "specialized trendy professions" colleges will pump out? I am proud to be a nurse and:kiss I am glad to see some nurses supporting each other
  5. by   NocturneNrse
    I love LPN's. I've encountered MANY MANY who are super smart, but just don't want the bother of having to supervise.. so they don't go for their RN. I go to them all the time w/questions.

    I think phasing them out of the hospitals here in CT was so foolish!
  6. by   bingubsn
    I don't ever question the word of an experienced LPN, but saying "I'm a nurse" is such a blanket term these days it's probably inaccurate with all the differences in scope
  7. by   1realkuteLVN
    I am an LVN, and compared to the seasoned RNs I work with, we don't measure up. I think we are fine to give medicines, and help the CNAs, but I thank they call us a "PRACTICAL" nurse for a reason. Compared to the extra year of pathology, pharmacology, and advanced Anatomy/Physiology and abnormal A and P, they are just much more prepared.

    I hope I do get to go to school one day for RN level, but until then, I am going to keep it real. We can't assess, we can't admit or discharge without a cosigner (RN) and an RN has to document an assessment every 24 hours in most states I have worked in. I wouldn't mind being called a Nurse Assistant Technician or something like that.

    I don't want to cause an uproar, I AM an LPN. But if I leave the US, am I still a Nurse? NOPE because LVN/LPN is an American Entry level position. Let's just be honest, THATs why there are so many of these WHY I FEEL LESS, or I WISH I GOT RESPECT AS AN LPN, or RNs are so mean to us LPN/LVNs.

    I have never been disrespected as a LVN, and I doubt any of you on here have in person. People are just more honest on a website. If you want to dis me for my honesty, go ahead. Otherwise, lets take our place and assist the real nurses as best we can without all the drama and inferiority. RN school is still there also if you want to be a "REAL NURSE" and make real nurse pay. CNAs make more than us in some situations.

    Be proud of the little bit of education we have, and stop whining about the career path you chose. IF YOU WANT THE RESPECT AND PAY OF AN RN, WELL FINE, GO EARN IT!!!! GET YOUR ADN/BSN, AND I WILL RESPECT YOU AS AN RN, AND YOU WILL GET PAID LIKE ONE.
  8. by   nurse2many
    "Compared to the extra year of pathology, pharmacology, and advanced Anatomy/Physiology and abnormal A and P, they are just much more prepared".


    The LPN program I have graduated from required A&P I and II or as you may call it advanced, and pharmacology was a class we took the first semester, where it was optional for ADN students.

    LPN's, RN's be happy, get along and keep on nursing... .
  9. by   Fiona59
    Quote from MFLPN
    This is a wonderful thread! I just read one on indeed.com that was so crude. LPN's and RN's fighting. I am an LPN. I go to Canada quite frequently and the nursing is so different. LPN's are paid much more and work under RN's in a "team nursing" approach in hospitals. Alot of LPN's work in OR. By working together they both are ensuring there need in the medical field. Otherwise they would have to compete with surg techs more and always have to go bck to school to get a bigger degree to keep up. I don't understand why some nurses that are hospital based are so against LPN's in US. Why wouldn't you want someone to deligate to "with YOUR license on the line" have been taught the same field and same theories just not as advanced? Why does it make more sense to run around stressed all day having a huge workload because the people you are deligating to are CNA, MA? Wouldn't it make more sense to be able to give more responsibilities to an uderling nurse that you know is trained in nursing? Also, wouldn't it secure nursing as a profession more so than competing with surg techs, pt's and what ever other "specialized trendy professions" colleges will pump out? I am proud to be a nurse and:kiss I am glad to see some nurses supporting each other
    You really don't understand how LPNs work in Canada. We work under our own practice permit and carry our own insurance. The only person who "deligates" (sic) are the Charge RN who delegate all patients. My co-worker RN can ask for my assistance but they can't tell me what to do and it's up to me if I decide or have the time to assist them.

    "uderling nurse" (sic) I've never looked after cow in my life.

    Practical Nurses in Canada usually have two years at nursing school before they are permitted to write the registration exam. In my province, our education is based on the old diploma programme that is no longer taught to RNs (our RNs are all required to have a BScN).

    We are paid more because we are unionized.
  10. by   Anne36
    Why does anyone worry about it? RN's are lower on the totem pole than BSN's and on and on. Im so sick of it. If you arent a Nurse Practitioner than you still have more school in front of you. Im only joking but Im starting to wonder what an LPN does. I am in my last month of a very rigorous 16 month LPN program and almost all of my clinical experience consists of giving CNA care. I have absolutely had it! Tommorow I will be doing CNA care all day, thats it. I know how to take vitals, and wipe butts. I was fine until today when I started my last rotation and found out my "Transitions" class was just more of the same crap. When else would I have the opportunity to shadow a nurse but in nursing school and No, I still have not been able to do that because they would rather have us do the CNA's charting. This is sorry prep for the job I have supposed to have in a few months.
  11. by   KRODD
    Quote from RNsoon!
    I mean, the title does have "Nurse" in it.So why are so many people insisting that LPN's arent real nurses? When I go to the hospital, I see these people giving medication , care, comfort and other services to their patients, isn't that what nursing is all about? What do you think about this issue? Do you think LPN's aren't real nurses?
    The real question is why do so many emplyoers think that LPN aren't real nurses?
  12. by   PeepnBiscuitsRN
    We did a lot of nursing home and TCU work when I was in LPN school. Yes we did all the CNA and LPN work, but from what I gather, as an LPN in one of those settings, you'll be doing both jobs, LPN and CNA stuff because it sounds like staffing and ratio for those facilities are atrocious. I know they are for RN's- I'm an RN now and I thank the good Lord that I got to work in a hospital because I wouldn't have wanted to work as an RN or LPN in a nursing home.

    If you don't like the CNA work, then find a good clinic to work at. I worked in a clinic, and it's a little different. I still wiped some butts- mind you (I worked in peds, sometimes the poor mom or dad would be wrangling in an older toddler, and the newborn would have gone number two and I just changed the diaper for them. I liked working in a clinic, I don't think I would have done well in a nursing home.

    I don't regret being an LPN for a minute and I'm really over the politics of what is a "real nurse" because when I was an LPN, only an RN was a "real nurse" (so "they" said...whomever "they" are) and then graduated and became an ADN only to find out that only BSN's are REALLY nurses. So by my figures, come December when I finish my BSN, only a MSN will be a REAL REAAALLL Nurse. So I'll have to go back for that (or the DNP...is that how it is now?) and when I finish THAT, only physicians will be REAL REAL REAL REAAALLLL NURSES, and goodness knows a doc won't want to be called a nurse, therefore there will be no nurses anymore, only doctors... WHICH LEADS ME TO MY THEORY- the AMA is trying to take down nurses!! They're brainwashing the nursing powers that be, and this will lead to a final epic battle of nurses versus doctors. I can hear that generic epic fantasy battle scene choir already....whatever they're singing...yeah...yeah....
  13. by   vonxojn
    Hospitals in NC are starting to make the RN's and LPN's wear an additional tag on our badge that hangs just below our photo that reads in big letters your RN or LPN status. Of course you see that more in the hospitals that are Magnet status here. These bigger hospitals will not hire an LPN on staff. They want an all RN facility. So that leaves us to go to LTC, Urgent cares, and MD offices. I love working in a hospital and being able to use all my skills and knowledge I have acquired over the years.

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