Why do so many people insist that LPN'S AREN'T REAL NURSES!!?? - page 17

I mean, the title does have "Nurse" in it.So why are so many people insisting that LPN's arent real nurses? When I go to the hospital, I see these people giving medication , care, comfort and other... Read More

  1. by   moodychick
    [quote=christymwinn]I have to disagree with this. I was an LPN for over 8 years before I went back for my Rn and the main reason I really went back is b/c I was seeing an increasing trend in disrespect and loss of opportunity for jobs. Noone was hiring LPN's except for NH's. I wanted to stay in the hospital and I was getting tired of being told what I had to do b/c I was an LPN.
    If I needed someone to give an IVP for me, then I had to do their blood sugars for them. RN's had to sign my admission paperwork, like I had no clue how to start a care plan.....please!!!!!![/quote


    You are so right!!! That's why I've gone back to school! So much disrepect from management! Not so much the RN's I work with; most are great! But, now the new catch-phrase is MAGNET hospital. We all know what that means! All the RN's in our hospital were given special pins. All other staff members were given a different pin. LPN's were given the same pins as housekeeping and cafeteria staff!! Talk about a put-down!!! Needless to say, none of the LPN's in my department are wearing them!!! I also hate that an RN needs to co-sign any assessment I may do on a patient. The hospitals are taking alot away from us. What's next? Also, what's happening in the ECF's that LPN's most of the time; and sometimes, alone with only NA's to work with them? Some of you LPN's working ECF's; what's going on there? We want to hear from you! Thanks!
  2. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    LPN's were given the same pins as housekeeping and cafeteria staff!!
    Man, that IS a slap in the face.
  3. by   pagandeva2000
    What is ECF?
  4. by   mysticalwaters1
    Quote from TazziRN
    I face a similar attitude about "just being an ADN"....I am always being asked why I don't go after my BSN. Because I don't want it! It would get me absolutely nothing that I don't already have. I will never go into admin or public health, so I don't need it. I have seen both LVNs and ADNs with WAY more experience and brains than some BSNs. I don't look at the letters behind someone's name (except to make sure I'm not asking an LVN do something beyond their scope) but rather at their skills.
    I'm really trying not to offend anyone, this debate has been going on for so long and almost pointless, but this thread reminded me of what me brothers friend said about me! I'm young so it was MY choice to allways go to a 4yr college. I chose nursing (actually wanted be veternarian but ultimately only liked cats and dogs and didn't want deal with horses and farms!), so I was already in premed and never thought well lets find 2 year program I wanted a college degree and 4 year experience for myself and since I was young, still lived with parents and had no boyfriend or kids went all the way but that's everone's own choice. Now I have worked with many experienced LPNs and they are much more knowledgeable then me and have been a great resource.

    But bedsides all that....my brothers friend called me stupid for getting a 4 year degree when I could be a nurse in 1 to 2 years! Just reading these posts that I hear many downplaying LPN or LPNs feeling BSN and more years schooling feel looked down upon when he said that about me! But once again it's your choice.
  5. by   mysticalwaters1
    Quote from pagandeva2000
    What is ECF?
    I think you are refering to Extended Care Facility.
  6. by   twotrees2
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    Man, that IS a slap in the face.

    what were the pins for - i guess i missed that post - if it was a pin to show the number of yrs worked there i see no problem with everyone having the same one - after all as we have all pointed out numerous times we are a team - differentiating between what the job is when the pin is for how many yrs you have been there is not proper. it would be demeaning to any of the cleaning or laundry ladies to say nurses should have a better one just cause they are nurses. just my opinion.
  7. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quote from twotrees2
    what were the pins for - i guess i missed that post - if it was a pin to show the number of yrs worked there i see no problem with everyone having the same one - after all as we have all pointed out numerous times we are a team - differentiating between what the job is when the pin is for how many yrs you have been there is not proper. it would be demeaning to any of the cleaning or laundry ladies to say nurses should have a better one just cause they are nurses. just my opinion.
    The pins had something to do with the Magnet status.
  8. by   twotrees2
    Quote from Marie_LPN
    The pins had something to do with the Magnet status.
    ive heard that used often on threads here - what is magnet status anyhow. dont mean to sound stupid but dont think we have anything called that - probably cause we are small towns. thanks.
  9. by   pagandeva2000
    Quote from mysticalwaters1
    I'm really trying not to offend anyone, this debate has been going on for so long and almost pointless, but this thread reminded me of what me brothers friend said about me! I'm young so it was MY choice to allways go to a 4yr college. I chose nursing (actually wanted be veternarian but ultimately only liked cats and dogs and didn't want deal with horses and farms!), so I was already in premed and never thought well lets find 2 year program I wanted a college degree and 4 year experience for myself and since I was young, still lived with parents and had no boyfriend or kids went all the way but that's everone's own choice. Now I have worked with many experienced LPNs and they are much more knowledgeable then me and have been a great resource.

    But bedsides all that....my brothers friend called me stupid for getting a 4 year degree when I could be a nurse in 1 to 2 years! Just reading these posts that I hear many downplaying LPN or LPNs feeling BSN and more years schooling feel looked down upon when he said that about me! But once again it's your choice.
    I can identify with your annoyance, because I have only been an LPN since June of this year, and it is already a bit tiring to me; because I CHOOSE to be an LPN. I looked at the job descriptions and I know that I am not interested in being a leader per se, because I don't have the patience to encourage or even force people to do the right thing. I'm not interested in critical care, or any of the other advantages that RNs have as choices. I remember telling people that I was not going to be an RN and they looked at me like I grew three heads at one time. I don't want their headaches or stress, and it does not bother me that someone else has to sign for my assessments or anything else for that matter. I am concerned about being respected as a human being that chose a career in caring for people rather than being a person that is robbing or killing people. What the RN thinks of me is not important, it is the way that she/he treats me. When I made the decision to become an LPN, I actually felt freedom! I don't have to stay until the next tour completes report, counsel employees, write a bunch of care plans that (at least in my hospital) are lies (not saying that other hospital nurses are not doing the right thing), and I go home. I do help the patient within my scope of practice without being mean to them, I assist the RN with all that she needs, but, I do not want her job...I PREFER stable patients with predictable outcomes...that is just me.

    I have the highest respect and admiration of the RNs that completed their difficult program, especially the ones that REALLY care. I want to help them, but don't want to be them, and I was really tired of trying to justify that to people that should not be concerned with what I do for a living and why.
  10. by   pagandeva2000
    Quote from twotrees2
    ive heard that used often on threads here - what is magnet status anyhow. dont mean to sound stupid but dont think we have anything called that - probably cause we are small towns. thanks.
    My insane hospital is trying to obtain magnet status, but I am still in the dark about what it actually means. One thing I do know is that this status seems to be pro-RN. Not sure of what the LPN would benefit from it...
  11. by   pagandeva2000
    Quote from mysticalwaters1
    I think you are refering to Extended Care Facility.
    Thanks for the clarity. Don't see how I missed that
  12. by   Marie_LPN, RN
    Quoted from http://www.northeastmedical.org/medi...nds/md023.html :

    Magnet is the highest award an organization can receive for nursing care as established by the American Nurses Credentialing Center, a division of the American Nurses Association. Magnet Status is awarded to a healthcare organization that has demonstrated provides the very best in nursing and patient care through its support of international nursing professional standards.
  13. by   brattyone
    LVN/LPNs have played a VITAL role in nursing and I hope that we continue to have them as part of the team. In CA since the nurse to pt ratio came into effect (RN nurse to pt ratios). I found this greatly anticipated law has had some negative drawbacks that should be addressed. "There is no I in team". Administration has been clever in which they go about "abiding" by this law. Example: Changing the name of a unit IE Direct Observation Unit to Telemetry Med Surg= Ratio change from 4:1 to 5:1. Acuity of Pt's. doesn't change, but the way the acuity level is calculated does. Take away our LVN's and our CNA's (which I personally feel is the very backbone that ensures adequate care) they are still within the law. Cool now we are doing more with less. Tele-Med Surg? What? Who came up with that? Telemetry had always been based on the Pt's condition warranting the need to be monitored. Now I see cardiac monitors on pts that truly have no need to be monitored. I'm frustrated by this arbitrary use. My skills as a Cardiac Nurse aren't appropriately being put to use and it causes a needless increase in anxiety for the pt and their family members.YIKES! Excuse my soapbox antics! Guess I felt the need to blow off some steam. Back to the point I was trying to make. LVN/LPNs have played an integral role in nursing-hence "Nursing Team". LVN, RN, ADN, BSN, CNA. When are we going to realize that this us against them mentality has and will continue to keep us at odds? We will never reach the height of the professional respect that we complain about not getting, nor will we stop losing excellent staff due to our work environment. Each of us are responsible for our own behavior yet how many times have you seen the blame being placed elsewhere? I've been around long enough. I've earned my "stripes" as a New Grad. "The Gaunlet". This was over a DECADE ago!! WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO STOP IT?!! It continues to this very day. I am appauled that this hasn't changed. I still see it written about in journals, web sites etc. I personally will not condone it and when I see it I personally step in and stop it. It's pretty easy to do in fact. New Grads, we all were once. When and why did we forget this? There is no arguement that could ever stand to reason why rather than welcoming and embracing New Grads, there are those that get some kind of pleasure out of "Hazing" them? They know who they are and we know who they are. Silence is consent. Empathy, sympathy, apathy? It needs to stop. NOW! We keep getting in our own way. We want and need changes that will decrease job stress, we want management to respect us, MD's to treat us professionally and so on and so on. I could write a limitless list of issues.The bottom line is IT IS UP TO EACH ONE OF US! Our behavior teaches others how to treat us. When we stop treating each other like enemies, then we will see a big change in the way we are treated. If we remain divided we will continue to be the ones that lose the most.

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